I've seen situations like these before. This is why off-site backups are so very important. I've also been in the same position of providing data from a backup that someone was intentionally trying to destroy to escape responsibility.
This story even hints at a common theme that happens even when people aren't trying to destroy data - that some people will tear down whatever they inherit, then blame their predecessors for the problems that result.
apples_oranges · 1h ago
But if you don’t blame them it can also backfire. I inherited a bad codebase once and tried my best to improve it. But there was only so much time. When I left the guy after me blamed me for the still bad parts immediately.
duxup · 3h ago
It's always interesting to me how easily corruption occurs. I always assume that accounting double checks things and so on, but I've seen so many business where someone just creates an account and money goes out and ... nobody notices for years.
I've even created automated invoices for some companies and realized that some data was missing for months. And yet they got paid significant amounts. I realized that the invoices could have been for just about anything and they would have gotten paid ...
forinti · 2h ago
When Robert McNamara took over Ford, accounting was so messed up, they would weigh their invoices and if the amount wasn't too far off from the expected dollars/pound ratio, they would pay it.
duxup · 1h ago
Even Google evnetually caught a few people who just cold sent in invoices and found that Google would pay.
0cf8612b2e1e · 47m ago
One guy was caught doing that to the tune of $100 million to Facebook and Google. If he had stopped at $1 million or something he probably would have got away with it. I suspect others have.
I had no idea that piece of shit was associated with Ford at all.
forinti · 31m ago
He talks about it in The Fog of War (which is not going to make you change your ideia about him).
jagged-chisel · 3h ago
I think I missed something. They later offered the guy the world to solve problems. He declined and then complains they wouldn’t provide the tools he needed.
Part of “name your price” should include whatever tools - up to and including ownership of processes.
kentm · 3h ago
Yeah I think something was missed. My wild speculation is that the person thats "causing issues" has a privileged position with the owners. The owners are unwilling to completely cut this person out of the business, and that is what he means when he says that the owners won't provide the tools he needed.
hengheng · 3h ago
My mind immediately went to organized crime. Money laundering for people who he rather didn't know his name.
draga79 · 2h ago
I’m the author of the post. I hinted, in a cryptic sentence near the end, that I necessarily had to leave out the worst parts of the story. No, no organized crime. But yes, there were people who appropriated resources that weren’t theirs and used every tool at their disposal to avoid scrutiny. To keep it vague, let’s just say some of the people involved had means that could seriously harm the businesses and their owners. And since these were primary businesses, that would have been a serious problem. The owners, knowing this, tried to find solutions but couldn’t really “afford” to remove the people involved. To be specific, in the end the owners themselves were aware of what was happening, but hoped to resolve it with a few more checks. Eventually, I realized that as long as there was enough money for everyone, they were okay with the ongoing theft.
Aloha · 2h ago
Its better to know who is stealing from you (and how much) than not - sometimes the evil you know is better than the evil you dont.
sidewndr46 · 18m ago
if you weren't getting paid for this - why get involved in the first place?
draga79 · 13m ago
I've been paid for doing my job: creating the infrastructure, configuring stuff, etc.
lisper · 3h ago
This looks like a clue:
"I even worked on translating Archivista’s interface into Italian, since it wasn’t yet localized, just to make it easier for users."
draga79 · 2h ago
No, that's not a clue :-) I've just replied, clarifying this part, to the previous comment
bombcar · 1h ago
Got it, it was disorganized crime, not organized. ;)
draga79 · 13m ago
Yes, exactly :-D
poyu · 1h ago
I thought that just means they're buying him out?
clysm · 1h ago
Why the hell is there a line break after every sentence?
amatecha · 54m ago
Yeah, that's really a strange choice for formatting and makes it very hard to read. Not the typical practice to insert a <br> after every sentence... (that said, the post itself is a great read!)
robohoe · 1h ago
Hello my high school research paper teacher
BubbleRings · 1h ago
Great read! Yeah, these days if I get asked for technical advice, I’m always glad to put good effort into suggestions. But as soon as you tell me “well I want to follow some of your advice, but I want to do this other stuff the wrong way”, I usually say “Good luck with all that!” and away I go.
bzmrgonz · 54m ago
How you gonna leave out the good parts like circa<year> so we can gauge the tech available then? Also, what about the tools you used to sync/backup to owner's house? My personal query, why did you move to freebsd? was it a different application/use? This is an awesome story, our modern approach would be to install nextcloud/owncloud with collaboration and rsync/syncthing to an offsite NAS (owner's house).
As for your decision, I would have agreed to a directorship and hired a local MSP to do things the way I wanted. This would have allowed you to have your cake and eat it too. A lot of times, in these situations, all you need is trusted eyes and ears from outside the corrupted fold. This principle is used in the military and diplomatic core, there is a staffing structure, and then there is an XO, who is hired and controlled from HQ. This XO answers to HQ, not the local structure.
draga79 · 2h ago
Author's note: Many readers, understandably struck by the severity of the events, have speculated about the involvement of organized crime. I want to clarify that, while the situation was extremely problematic and dishonest, that wasn't the case. The "worst parts" I alluded to referred to other internal dynamics, abuses of trust, and improprieties that I prefer not to detail further for privacy reasons and to avoid weighing down the narrative.
Boogie_Man · 1h ago
Dear Abby,
My dear husband of 40 years has recently passed away, and while I'm still grieving the loss, his former gay lover has been syphoning money from our company and threatening to expose my husband's bisexuality (NOT socially accepted in Italy) if I expose the theft! I've hired an IT kid to prevent further theft, but it turns out he has some sort of connection to the thief as well! I'm totally at a loss as to what to do.
-Benedetta Bothways
freehorse · 2h ago
Probably there was a lot the family did not know about the deceased father.
forinti · 2h ago
Reading through it I had a feeling it was in Italy. I was bit sad to confirm it.
draga79 · 2h ago
Italy, but no organized crime involved
dgfitz · 2h ago
Can you elaborate at all as to why you didn't make the phone call you eluded to that made the other person change their tone? I assume out of respect for the deceased/leaving skeletons in the closet?
draga79 · 5m ago
Sure, I can say this. The person I would have called, someone very close to me, would have been extremely disappointed to learn what was happening. They were very proud of having helped, during difficult times, the very person who was now threatening me. And since this person close to me was facing serious health issues (though still had authority), I chose to avoid causing them further pain that, ultimately, would have been pointless at that moment.
NKosmatos · 1h ago
> Because sometimes, dishonest people do win.
Let me fix this for you…
Because always, dishonest people do win.
Good read and it would make a good short film :-)
mulmen · 57m ago
This is needlessly negative. It’s clear that dishonest people do not always win. Disproving such a claim requires finding only one case of a successful prosecution for fraud.
asmodeuslucifer · 3h ago
good read.
immibis · 1h ago
> Because sometimes, dishonest people do win.
Dishonest people almost always win.
Not any individual one - a particular dishonest person might only win 20% of the time - but in aggregate - the winner is almost always a dishonest person.
Even when a game rewards honesty, dishonest people are willing to be honest if that's truly what gives them the greatest chance of winning, so they still win.
mulmen · 55m ago
Is this some kind of inverse no true scotsman?
If you win by being honest that’s not dishonest.
aoki · 12m ago
I believe they are saying that there are multiple rounds, each with different games - some with honest optimal strategies and some with dishonest optimal strategies. A dishonest person can always choose the optimal strategy for each game, but the honest person can only choose the best honest strategy. So in aggregate the dishonest person comes out ahead.
renewiltord · 2h ago
Fantastic war story. There's always like these dozen hangers-on who've made their fortune parasitizing successful people.
This story even hints at a common theme that happens even when people aren't trying to destroy data - that some people will tear down whatever they inherit, then blame their predecessors for the problems that result.
I've even created automated invoices for some companies and realized that some data was missing for months. And yet they got paid significant amounts. I realized that the invoices could have been for just about anything and they would have gotten paid ...
https://www.npr.org/2019/03/25/706715377/man-pleads-guilty-t...
Part of “name your price” should include whatever tools - up to and including ownership of processes.
"I even worked on translating Archivista’s interface into Italian, since it wasn’t yet localized, just to make it easier for users."
My dear husband of 40 years has recently passed away, and while I'm still grieving the loss, his former gay lover has been syphoning money from our company and threatening to expose my husband's bisexuality (NOT socially accepted in Italy) if I expose the theft! I've hired an IT kid to prevent further theft, but it turns out he has some sort of connection to the thief as well! I'm totally at a loss as to what to do.
-Benedetta Bothways
Let me fix this for you… Because always, dishonest people do win.
Good read and it would make a good short film :-)
Dishonest people almost always win.
Not any individual one - a particular dishonest person might only win 20% of the time - but in aggregate - the winner is almost always a dishonest person.
Even when a game rewards honesty, dishonest people are willing to be honest if that's truly what gives them the greatest chance of winning, so they still win.
If you win by being honest that’s not dishonest.