Discussion of LGBTQ+ issues -obviously pornography...
Discussion of women's health issues up to and including advocacy and support? Pornography.
There is no way once this passes that it will ever be over-turned.
America is collectively fucked, and our future is an unending hellscape.
bko · 32m ago
From what I understand, this bill would loosen the definition and there are existing laws that ban. And under federal law since 1873, the sale and distribution of obscene materials had been prohibited by federal law. This doesn't apply just to public broadcast (there are additional restrictions on radio and TV), but internet as well.
So if "obscene" material is already prohibited, online pornography is already illegal. Whatever you consider the definition of "obscene", I'm pretty sure you can find major online outlets that produce, sell and monetize this content. So is it just an enforcement thing that the federal government allows all this stuff to exist? This stuff is all a federal crime already, why bother with moving the definition slightly?
mc32 · 2m ago
New bill should make clickbait and TikTok like dopamine dependent services/games illegal. Make software one time purchases again.
I’d give up porn for the above.
Piskvorrr · 1h ago
And then of course, all you need to do is declare any speech pornographic. Voila, the 1st - neutered.
hulitu · 35m ago
No, just some words. They already started.
alvperez82 · 17m ago
Let’s not get sidetracked with the whole LGTBIQH or whatever topic — the obscenity here is that two people having sex is considered "normal" to show, no matter how you label it. It should at least be regulated. Right now, a 4-year-old child can access any porn site and binge as they please, becoming addicted to dopamine. No, that’s not okay.
There should be restrictions, and companies profiting from this industry should be the ones fighting for controlled access. ISPs should offer it as an opt-in service, so I wouldn’t have to install CleanBrowsing on every router, browser, or phone I get my hands on. The internet should be safe for everyone — at least on the surface.
xg15 · 1m ago
> Right now, a 4-year-old child can access any porn site and binge as they please, becoming addicted to dopamine. No, that’s not okay.
That's not completely wrong, unfortunately, but also: If you follow that logic, we have already raised several generations of addicts, who would be required to instantly go "cold turkey" after a lifetime of addiction. Did the authors of that law envision any kind of treatment for them?
StefanBatory · 8m ago
I am interested in reason you wrote it as "LGTBIQH". I mean, I know why, it'd be nice if you were open about it.
Literally thousands of bills get introduced each Congress. Most go nowhere… many are intended to go nowhere. Instead they are basically PR exercises.
In addition to the obvious First Amendment concerns, this bill would run up hard against the bro caucus of the Trump coalition. Do we think Elon Musk and Joe Rogan are going to spend their resources on a federal porn ban bill? Are Libertarians likely to support this? Will it get 60 votes in the Senate? Etc.
StefanBatory · 43m ago
And issue with these bills is that for those who make them, the mere existence of LGBT people is pornographic.
I get people who are against porn. I see their arguments, where they are coming from. But at the same time, it seems that for so many of them, my first paragraph applies.
Pxtl · 20m ago
Hey remember when conservatives were upset about how the "woke mob" hates free speech? Iirc even pg had a blog about that.
Discussion of LGBTQ+ issues -obviously pornography...
Discussion of women's health issues up to and including advocacy and support? Pornography.
There is no way once this passes that it will ever be over-turned.
America is collectively fucked, and our future is an unending hellscape.
So if "obscene" material is already prohibited, online pornography is already illegal. Whatever you consider the definition of "obscene", I'm pretty sure you can find major online outlets that produce, sell and monetize this content. So is it just an enforcement thing that the federal government allows all this stuff to exist? This stuff is all a federal crime already, why bother with moving the definition slightly?
There should be restrictions, and companies profiting from this industry should be the ones fighting for controlled access. ISPs should offer it as an opt-in service, so I wouldn’t have to install CleanBrowsing on every router, browser, or phone I get my hands on. The internet should be safe for everyone — at least on the surface.
That's not completely wrong, unfortunately, but also: If you follow that logic, we have already raised several generations of addicts, who would be required to instantly go "cold turkey" after a lifetime of addiction. Did the authors of that law envision any kind of treatment for them?
In addition to the obvious First Amendment concerns, this bill would run up hard against the bro caucus of the Trump coalition. Do we think Elon Musk and Joe Rogan are going to spend their resources on a federal porn ban bill? Are Libertarians likely to support this? Will it get 60 votes in the Senate? Etc.
I get people who are against porn. I see their arguments, where they are coming from. But at the same time, it seems that for so many of them, my first paragraph applies.