The flip side of this is that for some tasks (especially in ml/ai), doing it manually at least a few times gives you a sense of what is correct and a better sense of detail.
For example, spending the time to label a few examples yourself instead of just blindly sending it out to labeling.
(Not always the case, but another thing to keep in mind besides total time saved and value of learning)
try_the_bass · 12m ago
Harmful? No. Good rule of thumb? Yeah. Like any rule of thumb, if followed dogmatically, it loses the nuance that makes it a good "rule of thumb".
patrakov · 24m ago
Key sentence from the article:
> Automating the easy things is how you build the skills, mindset, and muscle-memory to automate the hard things.
karmakaze · 8m ago
> ...updating the order of arguments to a function [...] was only in about 10 spots, so it would have only taken a minute to search and fix manually, but instead I spent an hour automating the fix using sed and xargs. And I think that was the right choice.
Spending an hour to learn and use sed/xargs is good use of time. Bringing in the xkcd formula has nothing to do with that. It could/should have been done as a one-off whether manually or scripted. Automation doesn't make sense unless you plan to keep putting me function arguments in an undesired order.
I would have put in time sooner to use a static typed language the can reliably reactor in the IDE with a click.
jjk166 · 59m ago
XKCD's comic is a very simple graphic that tells you whether your automation efforts will reduce the total amount of time for a task.
If your goal is not to reduce time spent, why would you be looking at a chart to determine how much time you're reducing?
Learning is a very good use of time. Choosing to spend extra time to automate something for the sake of learning is a perfectly rational decision. But it's never harmful to know what your choice is costing you. If you wouldn't be willing to automate something in the full knowledge that it's going to take longer than just doing it manually, then the comic is succeeding in stopping you from making a choice you wouldn't want to make.
arcfour · 20m ago
My boss would probably prefer—thinking short-term—that I work by that chart. I would prefer to learn something new, and it usually pays off in the long-term, possibly years from now in unexpected and unforeseeable ways.
abc-1 · 24m ago
The goal to automate is to reduce suffering. Full stop. It’s not to “save time”. STEM types like to pretend they’re stoic cold calculating robots and everything is objective and they don’t mind doing some repetitive 5 minute task every day, because they saw some xkcd comic about efficiency. Maybe they pretend they don’t mind simply so they can smugly post the xkcd comic every time someone new asks why they’re suffering through some repetitive slog.
For example, spending the time to label a few examples yourself instead of just blindly sending it out to labeling.
(Not always the case, but another thing to keep in mind besides total time saved and value of learning)
> Automating the easy things is how you build the skills, mindset, and muscle-memory to automate the hard things.
Spending an hour to learn and use sed/xargs is good use of time. Bringing in the xkcd formula has nothing to do with that. It could/should have been done as a one-off whether manually or scripted. Automation doesn't make sense unless you plan to keep putting me function arguments in an undesired order.
I would have put in time sooner to use a static typed language the can reliably reactor in the IDE with a click.
If your goal is not to reduce time spent, why would you be looking at a chart to determine how much time you're reducing?
Learning is a very good use of time. Choosing to spend extra time to automate something for the sake of learning is a perfectly rational decision. But it's never harmful to know what your choice is costing you. If you wouldn't be willing to automate something in the full knowledge that it's going to take longer than just doing it manually, then the comic is succeeding in stopping you from making a choice you wouldn't want to make.