Mechanism of Collective Formation from Hindavi Swaraj for Cooperative AI Systems (ditpoo.substack.com)

it has long been my impression that people here in particular (as well as Americans in general!) consider free speech one of the most important values and themselves as upholders of that value - think of Musk buying Twitter and calling himself a "free speech absolutist", a move that was widely applauded in this community.

Yet, I have noticed that many of my comments and submissions get censored by people abusing the flagging functionality to shut down political views they don't agree with or issues that - while clearly tech related - don't fit in with their ideological agenda. This tends to happen right around the time Americans start waking up.

How does this fit in with this vision of free speech being such a high value? Is this a forum where free speech is practiced and valued? If so, are there any plans to reign in this obvious political censorship?

Here's some recent examples:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43793875

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43728870

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43810880

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43845934

Comments (18)

Cordiali · 3h ago

The site's guidelines are pretty clear, that it's generally regarded as off-topic.

cruzcampo · 3h ago

How is AI policy regarded off-topic? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43793875

Magma7404 · 2h ago

My uninformed opinion is that this post is not interesting (AI is boring but that's another subject), it's a politics article, and Hacker News has the word hacker in its title which is why I expect some technical stuff.

And yes, it applies to every other post, I believe HN has way too much politics and societal content.

> international tensions based on tech policy are an interesting phenomenon

We had that forever, for example in the 90s with cryptography. It was way more scary at the time, but still not on topic for such a forum.

cruzcampo · 2h ago

> That includes more than hacking and startups

Is literally what the guidelines say. The political implications of tech should be well within that purview.

Cordiali · 3h ago

Because it's not interesting or insightful from a technical perspective.

cruzcampo · 3h ago

Nowhere in the guidelines does it say anything about a technical perspective. It calls for things that hackers might find interesting - which I would argue the future of AI globally clearly qualifies as.

Cordiali · 3h ago

I would say that it's strongly implied, by phrases like "gratifies one's intellectual curiosity" and "some interesting new phenomenon".

cruzcampo · 3h ago

Wouldn't you say international tensions based on tech policy are an interesting phenomenon and of interest to people working in tech? I'd say it squarely fits that descriptor.

Cordiali · 2h ago

Nope, I definitely wouldn't.

cruzcampo · 2h ago

Then we disagree and I'd challenge you on lacking the intellectual curiosity called for in the guidelines. But that's okay - as long as you don't see a need to censor on that basis.

Cordiali · 2h ago

> I'd challenge you on lacking the intellectual curiosity called for in the guidelines.

This is unnecessarily hostile.

cruzcampo · 2h ago

I'd say claiming that tech policy relating to AI and it's global implications are not interesting to people working in tech and AI is a bad faith argument - calling it lacking intellectual curiosity is once again an attempt at a good-faith reading of what is an absurd point to make.

sim7c00 · 3h ago

free or not free is only an illusion. its a personal thing in the end which no one can give or take. hence, you will find disagreement on what behavior fits what banner of freedom or nonfreedom etc.

people will try to silence voices that disagree with them. cant they? no. will they try? yes.

dont worry about it and simply say what u have to say, trusting the universe it will arrive where it needs to, when it needs to.

rsynnott · 3h ago

> think of Musk buying Twitter and calling himself a "free speech absolutist"

... I mean, that was just a lie. You should be very cautious of taking anything he says at face value.

cruzcampo · 3h ago

That is my understanding as well. However, the move was widely taken at face value and lauded around here. So why are self-proclaimed free speech champions censoring speech?

rsynnott · 2h ago

> However, the move was widely taken at face value and lauded around here.

That is because this website contains a lot of credulous idiots. It was by no means _universally_ lauded here, though.

watwut · 3h ago

Musk bought twitter so that he can suppress left leaning voices and promote far right voices. And delivered. It had nothing to do with free speech and I doubt anyone is making that claim in good faith.

cruzcampo · 3h ago

That is the impression I have, as well - same with the flagging-based ideological censorship I'm seeing here.

That being said, I'm trying to assume good faith - as the guidelines here call for as well.

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