Some of the perpetrators: "Two former students from the prestigious Seoul National University (SNU)" and "a quiet, introverted student “someone you’d never imagine doing such a thing,”".
"...lot of articles and comments about deepfakes saying, ‘Why is it a serious crime when it’s not even your real body?’”"
This seems like a deep societal issue that cannot be solved through harsh criminal penalties alone.
rwyinuse · 3d ago
Yeah, there is a reason why South Korea continues to break records for the lowest fertility rate in the world, making even Japan's birth rate issues look small in comparison. Their society appears to be deeply, deeply sick in numerous ways. Not a good place to live, unless your calling is to work all your waking hours to make the rich even richer.
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lelanthran · 3d ago
> ...lot of articles and comments about deepfakes saying, ‘Why is it a serious crime when it’s not even your real body?’
Impersonating someone else is always a serious crime. We call it fraud.
WhatsName · 3d ago
Impersonation is a mean, which can often but does not always necessitate fraud.
One might impersonate Arnold Schwarzenegger for comedic effect, one might also impersonate a daughter to steal money from a grandma. Stealing the money is the crime here, one does not impersonate without purpose, the purpose defines the severity (or lack of) crime...
hyperjeff · 3d ago
Are there any crimes that are solved via harsh criminal penalties?
lazide · 3d ago
Thought experiment - what if it was someone making a really convincing painting of the same thing?
These are of course real issues, which is why this is going to be an increasingly large problem. The easiest way to ‘deal’ with them is to double down on them - aka [https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/3jfqo9/til_t...] - but not very many people have the, uh, testicular fortitude to be able to do that.
Especially women.
Neo-Victorian’ism anyone?
aidenn0 · 3d ago
People used to use photo-editing software to do the same thing 20 years ago. A significant change in the prevalence of something (due to making it easier in this case: painting->photoshop->AI tools), can make a qualitative difference in the harm.
A really dedicated person might crank out a painting or two per week, and a minuscule fraction of the population has the skills to do so at all. Around the turn of the millennium, a much larger (but still small) fraction of the population had access and skills to use digital photo editing tools, and it still took quite some time if you wanted to make something convincing.
I am fairly confident that if one were to spend an hour or two researching how, a significant fraction of the population could generate dozens of images in a single evening.
djur · 3d ago
1) Sukarno had less to worry about than a schoolteacher (like in the article), perhaps. Teachers can get fired for even a hint of scandal.
2) Victorian men loved porn, prostitution, etc. The "prudishness" of the Victorian era was enforced on women. Deepfakes are just part of the same long tradition of women being deprived of sexual agency and autonomy.
lazide · 3d ago
Sukarno only had less to worry about because he had ensured he has less to worry about.
Dictators have been murdered over nothing, let alone scandals - but he was strong enough at the time that yes, it would have just propped up his image.
Teachers rarely have that degree of control of their environment.
SK (like most Asian societies) also has a huge ‘crabs in a bucket’ problem, also known as ‘the nail that sticks out gets hammered down’.
The Victorian era saw most women (statistically) in unstable relationships, and a great many using prostitution to support themselves. Which also gave them a lot of individual freedom.
It was also a time of incredible social mobility, and also fraud.
The ‘prudishness’ was as much society trying to use shaming and in group/out group dynamics to maintain control and some degree of integrity to limit the damage from the widespread disruption of the social fabric.
It also was applied against men, but men are able to leave easier/escape, as they don’t have the biological issue of being pregnant/young kids in tow to slow them down.
Which is also why so many of the middle class had to do things like rent tableware (or even food), etc. to appear ‘upper class’ to avoid being kicked out of whatever support circle they needed, and keep some semblance of propriety.
It was an extremely unstable time for everyone, precisely because so many were ‘free’.
Society is, and always will be, a giant ouroboros/wheel of control, influence, fighting for independence, etc.
The reason why women get stomped on to try to deprive them of sexual agency and autonomy, is precisely because they have so much power with sexual agency.
Most women, if unrestricted, can get most men to do almost anything they want using sex.
Most men, if unrestricted, can then leave to go do something else, leaving the woman ‘holding the bag’ when she is pregnant.
Birth control has unhinged the equation quite a lot, and free flow of information is doing so even more.
That scares all the rest of the women, and many of the men, which is why we have what we have. The more freedom is actually present, the more unhinged the attacks eventually become. Because the goal is control, even if it is pathological control.
Interesting times, eh?
Snow_Falls · 3d ago
"Most women, if unrestricted, can get most men to do almost anything they want using sex."
You have a deeply negative view of my sex. Do you seriously believe that all men are robots who loose all agency when they're horny? If so, why isn't all the world run by women?
lazide · 3d ago
Definitely not what I said. You might want to read it again. Quite odd to take a negative reading out of it too, especially since if you’d read the context it would have answered your own question quite clearly eh?
North and South are two magnetic poles that can only exist because the other does.
Structured one way, they can form one of the most powerful and directed kinds of motors possible. Structured another, one of the most destructive forces possible. If aware.
Unstructured or mixed up, just makes a chaotic goo, or nothing at all.
Would you take a similar negative view on ‘most men, uncontrolled, can kill almost anything that walks on this earth.’? Do you think that makes lions, tigers, bears, etc. little blobs of jelly ripe for the taking?
Personally, I take it as a super power, because it is true - despite them definitely not being blobs of jelly. Just like what I said above, despite all men definitely not being robots.
icu · 3d ago
As a parent I worry about this technology being used on children. While one way of preventing this from happening is to limit photos of children on social media it's extremely difficult to maintain this once they hit high school/secondary school. That approach also doesn't stop someone taking source photos or video using their phone.
Der_Einzige · 3d ago
One of the most popular models on civit.ai today (huggingface for diffusion models but defacto basically a porn site) is the “age slider”.
It’s 10000% mostly used for creating this kind of horrifying content.
Probuin · 3d ago
I understand the laws against distribution, but can anyone explain why creating/possessing deep-faked porn for private use is so morally reprehensible or even criminal?
I can't identify a victim in this scenario. Whose business is it? I genuinely couldn't care less if someone did this "to" me, but then I recognise that as a middle aged dude that's not ever happening so I may have a blind spot here. How would I even know unless, ironically, the investigation and prosecution publicised the fact that it exists?
Ekaros · 3d ago
Similar reason with drugs. Use is not generally illegal, possession is. Possession is very easy to prove. Thus criminalization makes sense. Same goes for this type of material. If it stays private no one has idea and it won't be a problem. If it goes public, well now you have conclusive proof.
And the harm comes from sharing this material. So stopping people from possessing it as with lot of other material is not worse way to stop spread. Defence of I did not create it is not usable anymore.
brabel · 3d ago
It’s indeed thought police. But i suppose there’s a huge difference when the material is used for blackmail… and there’s also a risk it may be stolen and then shared publicly in which case it can be devastating for the victim. But if you keep the material well hidden it’s similar to if it was just in your imagination and hopefully that’s not illegal yet.
Probuin · 3d ago
That's exactly my point though. It is. From the article:
>in September, legislators passed an amendment that made possessing and viewing deepfake porn punishable by up to three years in prison.
This is insane.
obscurette · 3d ago
While thinking can't (and must not) be criminalized, materializing a fantasies even in "nonharmful" way can damage people a lot – these materials can be found for example.
lazide · 3d ago
You’re getting downvoted because it triggers some really deep ick feelings. Ick feelings that as a middle aged dude you’ve likely never had (or will likely have), so can’t appreciate. If you’ve had a crazy stalker (truly crazy), you’d probably think differently.
For instance, that Star Trek episode where Barclay was simulating the crew and having ‘relationships’ with them on the holodeck - in ‘real life’ the crew would have ostracized him, at the minimum.
In ‘real real life’, he might have just gotten murdered, ahem, ‘had a transporter accident’.
It’s similar. Yeah, logically ‘no one was getting hurt’, but people aren’t logical that way. For a reason, frankly.
And if you think of it as a prelude to something much more disturbing and direct happening (which it well might), then it makes sense to have the
‘disproportionate’/illogical reaction. Those emotions are warning people of an imminent threat, and they’d be fools to ignore them, regardless of what anyone says.
int_19h · 3d ago
I think it's perfectly reasonable to be grossed out by someone generating porn of other people without consent for their own personal consumption. But when it comes to legislation, surely that should be driven by harm assessment? Distribution of such images is clearly harmful and should be illegal, but I find it hard to come up with any reasonable arguments for criminalizing mere possession.
lazide · 3d ago
It’s just an expansion of the same rules as CSAM (which typically - but sometimes not for a short period of time in some locales - includes generated content).
I imagine it won’t be long before this is used to try to ban porn entirely, since ‘there is no way to be sure’. And then crack down on chat groups, social media, etc. since that is where any of the legit problematic content is going to be distributed most of the time eh?
corban1 · 3d ago
I see sites like 4chan sharing deepfakes of their acquaintances daily and they don't seem to gain media reaction like this. I wonder the severity they feel is different in SK?
arcen · 3d ago
A lot of these SK stories keep reading like a cultural/techno dystopia, which makes me wonder if people there want change to occur.
lazide · 3d ago
SK has been ‘crazy’ this way for many decades. It’s also why it is so obsessed with plastic surgery.
Japan has been going in a similar direction, but has some notable differences (tentacle porn really is a thing, as is chibi).
Everyone is just becoming more aware of it, which hey - at least it isn’t just all about the USA anymore!
klodolph · 3d ago
Japan isn’t actually going in that direction… as far as I can tell, there’s just a ton of “Japan is so weird” articles that get shared in the west. Like, articles about vending machines that sell used panties to perverts, or men who get married to anime characters. You could just as easily write these articles about the US or any country in Europe, it’s just a bit of old-fashioned orientalism going around that we happen to write these articles about Japan. I assume SK is mostly boring and has boring problems like the rest of us, like rampant alcoholism and poor work culture. Likewise, the social problems with Japan are boring ones like (again) work culture, being punished for standing out, or having to navigate bureaucracy.
I don’t even know why chibi would be on your list since it’s just a style of drawing cartoons with big heads.
blitzar · 3d ago
You should see the "America is so weird" articles that get shared in the west about 13 year old girls being married off to adult men. Chilling stuff.
klodolph · 3d ago
I’ve seen those too, which is why the “Japan is weird” or “South Korea is weird” angle doesn’t resonate.
lazide · 3d ago
They’re ‘boring’ because we’re used to them, not because other cultures wouldn’t look on in horror.
Every culture has their variant of this.
For example, Indians would never tolerate the level of alcohol consumption that is essentially mandatory to hold office jobs in SK and Japan.
And SK and Japan wouldn’t (to my knowledge) tolerate the level of societal control over marriages/sex/personal identity that Indian culture considers normal. And definitely wouldn’t tolerate the lack of civic sense.
Chibi was an indirect reference to what western cultures refer to as CSAM (in not-as-uncommon-as-outsiders assume cases). Too subtle eh?
Do you want me to get more specific? It’s not like Akiba and several other nearby distracts are actually about just maid cafes (actual-what-they-purport-to-be ones anyway) and cheap electronics, eh?
Every culture has things like this, yes. And the bizarre (to the reader) and outrageous (to the reader) articles get clicks.
klodolph · 3d ago
> Chibi was an indirect reference to what western cultures refer to as CSAM (in not-as-uncommon-as-outsiders assume cases). Too subtle eh?
Sure, subtle, or maybe downright cryptographic. I would describe it as cryptographic.
> Do you want me to get more specific?
I think your general point is unclear. Maybe you could explain your overall point in general terms first, before going into specifics. Or maybe you could start with specifics to motivate the broader point you’re making. I think the bottom line here is that when you say Japan is going in a “similar direction”, I have no idea what direction you think that is.
> It’s not like Akiba and several other nearby distracts are actually about just maid cafes (actual-what-they-purport-to-be ones anyway) and cheap electronics, eh?
Neighborhoods aren’t “about” something, so when you say that Akiba isn’t “actually about just maid cafes”… obviously, because Akiba isn’t about anything. If you are winking at the camera and trying to insinuate that I know what Akiba is “about”, it’s not going to communicate anything about Akiba. This has all the hallmarks of how people communicate crackpot theories, and the antidote is to explain things in plain terms with direct language.
Doesn't SK have the lowest birth rate in the world?
whateveracct · 3d ago
yes, and misogyny and south korean women's collective reaction to it is definitely one root cause. not the only, but due to garbage like this article, women there do not especially care for the men.
SequoiaHope · 3d ago
Women don’t care for the men because of articles like this? I would suggest that the widespread misogyny would more likely be the cause.
sho_hn · 3d ago
I feel like declining birthrates and misogyny unfortunately easily go hand in hand, causing a downward spiral. The rarer kids are, the more they tend to get spoiled and the more likely they are to act entitled towards others.
ant6n · 3d ago
The rarer kids are, the more people don’t have kids, don’t know anything about kids, don’t care any kids, and treat them like a nuisance. Both privately and publicly.
corban1 · 3d ago
Don't developed countries tend to have low birthrates and high status of women? Are you saying that low birth rates cause misogynistic behaviour of kids?
djur · 3d ago
I read it as "garbage like [described] in this article", not an attack on the article itself.
whateveracct · 2d ago
Yes this is it. I misworded my comment in a confusing way lol.
IshKebab · 3d ago
I've never been to South Korea but I'd be really surprised if that has much to do with it. The entire Western world has had massively declining birth rates while simultaneously becoming less misogynistic. If anything there's a negative correlation. In more equitable societies women don't want to just be mothers, and society changes so that it is now difficult for them.
For example it's very difficult to live off a single income now so women can't be stay-at-home mothers, and childcare is extremely expensive in most countries.
rwyinuse · 3d ago
South Korea's birth rate is extremely low even by rich Western world standards. Attitudes towards women are one root cause, materialistic culture another, but their horrible working life is probably even more significant factor. It's hard to have a family when you're busy wage slaving all your waking hours for Samsung or whatever megacorporation, just to afford a place to live.
Probuin · 3d ago
Misandry is rampant too, which is a big part of why men are checking out or even developing resentment towards women.
This article even touches on it, for example, in that just possessing deep-faked porn is punishable by up to 3 years imprisonment. There are many men who will literally never experience a woman's touch, are shunned, isolated, ridiculed, shamed, and even hated by society. They are not bad people, their only crime is not being attractive. Who are they hurting if they get their rocks off privately fantasising about a woman with the help of AI and image editors? It's downright cruel.
saagarjha · 3d ago
Normal porn is freely available! You don't have to make deepfake porn of your classmate!
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djur · 3d ago
How is that "misandry"? Do you think only men are lonely and deprived of sex? Do you think only men fantasize about people they're attracted to? How did men survive so many years without synthetic porn of the woman at the office? Producing deepfakes, even for personal use, is irresponsible. Men can use their imaginations.
Probuin · 3d ago
How is it not misandry? A law targeting men to deny them even the illusion of love and happiness, punishable by years in prison. A peaceful, albeit distasteful, fleeting solution to their complete rejection by society. I don't see why it's anyone's business, least of all the law. It's cruel. It's spiteful.
djur · 3d ago
How is the law targeting men? As far as I know, it's just as illegal for women to create and possess deepfake porn.
And, again: you do not need deepfake porn to have love and happiness, even an illusion of it. I personally think better of men than to think that a fake nudie pic of the neighbor's wife would be the keystone of their mental wellbeing. If anything is misandry, it's thinking of men as a bunch of sex-crazed gremlins.
Probuin · 3d ago
What gives you the right to claim that or police that, though?
May I decree that women do not need social media to have love or happiness so it's ok to ban it, under threat of imprisonment if they access it?
Is anything arbitrarily open to prohibition if it doesn't meet your extraordinarily high bar of being the "keystone of mental wellbeing"?
What sick joy do you derive from depriving peaceful lonely desperate men this one small outlet? It's misandry.
All porn disgusts me and yet your cruelty and total lack of empathy is so repugnant that, unbelievably, I'm here batting for coomers. Bravo.
lazide · 3d ago
While Men certainly can be (and likely will be) a major driver, don’t underestimate the willingness of women to target other women using the same tactics and techniques if they think they can get away with it.
Men may kill you, but women will make you wish you were dead.
novavex · 3d ago
Man comments like this make me a lot more fearful of random men than random women. I've seen so many more vile comments touted by men (I choose to believe the majority of them are bots!) than I've ever seen made by women on regular sites. I don't understand how people become this way.
lazide · 3d ago
In this scenario, random women aren’t typically the threat - it’s the women closest to you.
The reason it becomes like this is due to a fight for control, often a pathological one.
Men will make terrible comments and poison the well to try to drive women (and other men) to them for ‘safety’, as a show of force. No one wants to be on the losing/weak side. And by painting all men as scary, they undermine their competition, and by being blatantly the scariest without consequence they show they are the strongest. See what is happening in US politics. Being visibly scary is a form of marketing/recruitment.
Women will make terrible comments and poison the well to stop men (and other women) from leaving because the outside world is too scary, or the alternatives are too scary. No one wants to leave ‘safety’ to get eaten by a monster. And better the devil you know, than the one you don’t eh? Women will often be covertly scary, because their goal is usually retention, not recruitment.
You’re watching the war of control unfold.
throw9393494949 · 3d ago
Because it is. There is no point trying to solve, or getting depressed about it. Just walk away.
South Korea still has male only slavery in army.
There are facebook groups where female share revenge porn, "are we dating the same guy" or "does this look infected?".
whateveracct · 2d ago
misandry isn't real
the word's main useful purpose is signaling which internet comments are written by specific types of men ;)
myaccountonhn · 3d ago
I think if anything will stop free computing, it'll be AI, specifically for this reason. Too easy to abused, and too many (especially women) being harmed.
quietmonkey · 3d ago
What would that look like? It's hard to imagine putting the genie back in the bottle with any technology, let alone the personal computer which has been in circulation for decades.
Humans have a long history of leading very real and literal crusades based on morals.
It’s not that far-fetched to think that could happen again one day - perhaps over AI and computers, perhaps over something else. All you need to do is convince enough people with weapons that you’re the moral compass of the time.
myaccountonhn · 3d ago
Basically only approved,locked down devices provided by Microsoft and Apple.
Maybe outlaw any app not on an app store.
Just some (dystopic) ideas.
shiandow · 3d ago
Really? Hoe many people do you know who use big neural networks, how many of them run it on their own hardware?
int_19h · 3d ago
For image generation, the bar is much lower than for text. E.g. FLUX.1-dev is 12B parameters. Running those on local hardware is extremely common and very easy, especially with apps like Draw Things (the latter can even run on iPhones and iPads!).
"...lot of articles and comments about deepfakes saying, ‘Why is it a serious crime when it’s not even your real body?’”"
This seems like a deep societal issue that cannot be solved through harsh criminal penalties alone.
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Impersonating someone else is always a serious crime. We call it fraud.
These are of course real issues, which is why this is going to be an increasingly large problem. The easiest way to ‘deal’ with them is to double down on them - aka [https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/3jfqo9/til_t...] - but not very many people have the, uh, testicular fortitude to be able to do that.
Especially women.
Neo-Victorian’ism anyone?
A really dedicated person might crank out a painting or two per week, and a minuscule fraction of the population has the skills to do so at all. Around the turn of the millennium, a much larger (but still small) fraction of the population had access and skills to use digital photo editing tools, and it still took quite some time if you wanted to make something convincing.
I am fairly confident that if one were to spend an hour or two researching how, a significant fraction of the population could generate dozens of images in a single evening.
Dictators have been murdered over nothing, let alone scandals - but he was strong enough at the time that yes, it would have just propped up his image.
Teachers rarely have that degree of control of their environment.
SK (like most Asian societies) also has a huge ‘crabs in a bucket’ problem, also known as ‘the nail that sticks out gets hammered down’.
The Victorian era saw most women (statistically) in unstable relationships, and a great many using prostitution to support themselves. Which also gave them a lot of individual freedom.
It was also a time of incredible social mobility, and also fraud.
The ‘prudishness’ was as much society trying to use shaming and in group/out group dynamics to maintain control and some degree of integrity to limit the damage from the widespread disruption of the social fabric.
It also was applied against men, but men are able to leave easier/escape, as they don’t have the biological issue of being pregnant/young kids in tow to slow them down.
Which is also why so many of the middle class had to do things like rent tableware (or even food), etc. to appear ‘upper class’ to avoid being kicked out of whatever support circle they needed, and keep some semblance of propriety.
It was an extremely unstable time for everyone, precisely because so many were ‘free’.
Society is, and always will be, a giant ouroboros/wheel of control, influence, fighting for independence, etc.
The reason why women get stomped on to try to deprive them of sexual agency and autonomy, is precisely because they have so much power with sexual agency.
Most women, if unrestricted, can get most men to do almost anything they want using sex.
Most men, if unrestricted, can then leave to go do something else, leaving the woman ‘holding the bag’ when she is pregnant.
Birth control has unhinged the equation quite a lot, and free flow of information is doing so even more.
That scares all the rest of the women, and many of the men, which is why we have what we have. The more freedom is actually present, the more unhinged the attacks eventually become. Because the goal is control, even if it is pathological control.
Interesting times, eh?
You have a deeply negative view of my sex. Do you seriously believe that all men are robots who loose all agency when they're horny? If so, why isn't all the world run by women?
North and South are two magnetic poles that can only exist because the other does.
Structured one way, they can form one of the most powerful and directed kinds of motors possible. Structured another, one of the most destructive forces possible. If aware.
Unstructured or mixed up, just makes a chaotic goo, or nothing at all.
Would you take a similar negative view on ‘most men, uncontrolled, can kill almost anything that walks on this earth.’? Do you think that makes lions, tigers, bears, etc. little blobs of jelly ripe for the taking?
Personally, I take it as a super power, because it is true - despite them definitely not being blobs of jelly. Just like what I said above, despite all men definitely not being robots.
It’s 10000% mostly used for creating this kind of horrifying content.
I can't identify a victim in this scenario. Whose business is it? I genuinely couldn't care less if someone did this "to" me, but then I recognise that as a middle aged dude that's not ever happening so I may have a blind spot here. How would I even know unless, ironically, the investigation and prosecution publicised the fact that it exists?
And the harm comes from sharing this material. So stopping people from possessing it as with lot of other material is not worse way to stop spread. Defence of I did not create it is not usable anymore.
>in September, legislators passed an amendment that made possessing and viewing deepfake porn punishable by up to three years in prison.
This is insane.
For instance, that Star Trek episode where Barclay was simulating the crew and having ‘relationships’ with them on the holodeck - in ‘real life’ the crew would have ostracized him, at the minimum.
In ‘real real life’, he might have just gotten murdered, ahem, ‘had a transporter accident’.
It’s similar. Yeah, logically ‘no one was getting hurt’, but people aren’t logical that way. For a reason, frankly.
And if you think of it as a prelude to something much more disturbing and direct happening (which it well might), then it makes sense to have the ‘disproportionate’/illogical reaction. Those emotions are warning people of an imminent threat, and they’d be fools to ignore them, regardless of what anyone says.
I imagine it won’t be long before this is used to try to ban porn entirely, since ‘there is no way to be sure’. And then crack down on chat groups, social media, etc. since that is where any of the legit problematic content is going to be distributed most of the time eh?
Japan has been going in a similar direction, but has some notable differences (tentacle porn really is a thing, as is chibi).
Everyone is just becoming more aware of it, which hey - at least it isn’t just all about the USA anymore!
I don’t even know why chibi would be on your list since it’s just a style of drawing cartoons with big heads.
Every culture has their variant of this.
For example, Indians would never tolerate the level of alcohol consumption that is essentially mandatory to hold office jobs in SK and Japan.
And SK and Japan wouldn’t (to my knowledge) tolerate the level of societal control over marriages/sex/personal identity that Indian culture considers normal. And definitely wouldn’t tolerate the lack of civic sense.
Chibi was an indirect reference to what western cultures refer to as CSAM (in not-as-uncommon-as-outsiders assume cases). Too subtle eh?
Do you want me to get more specific? It’s not like Akiba and several other nearby distracts are actually about just maid cafes (actual-what-they-purport-to-be ones anyway) and cheap electronics, eh?
Every culture has things like this, yes. And the bizarre (to the reader) and outrageous (to the reader) articles get clicks.
Sure, subtle, or maybe downright cryptographic. I would describe it as cryptographic.
> Do you want me to get more specific?
I think your general point is unclear. Maybe you could explain your overall point in general terms first, before going into specifics. Or maybe you could start with specifics to motivate the broader point you’re making. I think the bottom line here is that when you say Japan is going in a “similar direction”, I have no idea what direction you think that is.
> It’s not like Akiba and several other nearby distracts are actually about just maid cafes (actual-what-they-purport-to-be ones anyway) and cheap electronics, eh?
Neighborhoods aren’t “about” something, so when you say that Akiba isn’t “actually about just maid cafes”… obviously, because Akiba isn’t about anything. If you are winking at the camera and trying to insinuate that I know what Akiba is “about”, it’s not going to communicate anything about Akiba. This has all the hallmarks of how people communicate crackpot theories, and the antidote is to explain things in plain terms with direct language.
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For example it's very difficult to live off a single income now so women can't be stay-at-home mothers, and childcare is extremely expensive in most countries.
This article even touches on it, for example, in that just possessing deep-faked porn is punishable by up to 3 years imprisonment. There are many men who will literally never experience a woman's touch, are shunned, isolated, ridiculed, shamed, and even hated by society. They are not bad people, their only crime is not being attractive. Who are they hurting if they get their rocks off privately fantasising about a woman with the help of AI and image editors? It's downright cruel.
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And, again: you do not need deepfake porn to have love and happiness, even an illusion of it. I personally think better of men than to think that a fake nudie pic of the neighbor's wife would be the keystone of their mental wellbeing. If anything is misandry, it's thinking of men as a bunch of sex-crazed gremlins.
May I decree that women do not need social media to have love or happiness so it's ok to ban it, under threat of imprisonment if they access it?
Is anything arbitrarily open to prohibition if it doesn't meet your extraordinarily high bar of being the "keystone of mental wellbeing"?
What sick joy do you derive from depriving peaceful lonely desperate men this one small outlet? It's misandry.
All porn disgusts me and yet your cruelty and total lack of empathy is so repugnant that, unbelievably, I'm here batting for coomers. Bravo.
Men may kill you, but women will make you wish you were dead.
The reason it becomes like this is due to a fight for control, often a pathological one.
Men will make terrible comments and poison the well to try to drive women (and other men) to them for ‘safety’, as a show of force. No one wants to be on the losing/weak side. And by painting all men as scary, they undermine their competition, and by being blatantly the scariest without consequence they show they are the strongest. See what is happening in US politics. Being visibly scary is a form of marketing/recruitment.
Women will make terrible comments and poison the well to stop men (and other women) from leaving because the outside world is too scary, or the alternatives are too scary. No one wants to leave ‘safety’ to get eaten by a monster. And better the devil you know, than the one you don’t eh? Women will often be covertly scary, because their goal is usually retention, not recruitment.
You’re watching the war of control unfold.
South Korea still has male only slavery in army.
There are facebook groups where female share revenge porn, "are we dating the same guy" or "does this look infected?".
the word's main useful purpose is signaling which internet comments are written by specific types of men ;)
Like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_Environment_Integrity
It’s not that far-fetched to think that could happen again one day - perhaps over AI and computers, perhaps over something else. All you need to do is convince enough people with weapons that you’re the moral compass of the time.
Maybe outlaw any app not on an app store.
Just some (dystopic) ideas.