Is there anyone monitoring US government websites for deletion of pages beyond what people may notice in an ad hoc way? I feel like this should be automated.
gs17 · 4h ago
There's an Archive Team project for the government, although it's just trying to get as much of a snapshot as possible: https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/US_Government Detecting changes across all pages in real time is going to be difficult to accomplish.
toomuchtodo · 1h ago
You can use a combination of the website capture data available in the Internet Archive along with what the Internet Archive and ArchiveTeam crawl to analyze and track when page status changes (both content and http codes, 200->4xx for example). Look for the diffs across the .govs of interest. Crawling continues.
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Why were the Jan. 6 rioters pardoned by the party of "law and order"?
DeepYogurt · 4h ago
Memory hole anything inconvenient
JohnTHaller · 2h ago
Since 1975, right-wing terrorists have killed 5.5x as many people as left-wing terrorists.
bad_username · 1h ago
I don't know about 1975, but for the past 10 years or so if something provably politically violent happens - assassinations/assassination attempts, violent protests, politically motivated arson, etc, it's usually coming from the left. I cannot remember anything provably politically violent from the right during that period, with the possible exception of Jan 6. At least this is my perspective observing the american political life from Europe.
> In 2018, Cesar Altieri Sayoc was sentenced to 20 years prison for sending pipe bombs to nine prominent Democrats, including Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden and Maxine Waters. Sayoc was a registered Republican.
> In 2020, 13 men attempted to punish Michigan’s Democrat Governor Gretchen Whitmer for enforcing Covid lockdown measures. All were far right extremists.
> Roy Den Hollander murdered human rights lawyer Marc Angelucci in July 2020. He then tried to kill district judge Esther Salas, but succeeded instead in murdering her son and seriously wounding her husband. Hollander was a far right Trump supporter.
> Quintez Brown attempted to kill Democratic Mayor of Louisville, Kentucky, Craig Greenberg, in February 2022. Brown was motivated by Black nationalism, pan-Africanism and revolutionary socialism.
> In October 2022 David DePape seriously injured Paul Pelosi with a hammer while seeking to kill House of Representatives Speaker, Nancy Pelosi. DePape is a far right Trump supporter.
> In December 2022, Solomon Peña paid gunmen to attack the houses of Democrat state lawmakers in New Mexico. Peña is a registered Republican and a former candidate for state office.
> Craig Robertson was shot and killed by FBI agents in August 2023 while being arrested for threats against President Joe Biden and others. Robertson was an army veteran with extreme right wing views.
> Donald Trump himself was targeted at a July 2024 rally in Pennsylvania. The shooter Thomas Crooks killed one attendee and injured three others, including Trump, whose ear was cut by a flying fragment. Crooks was a registered Republican.
> Another attempt on Trump’s life, thwarted before completion, was made by Trump voter Ryan Routh in September 2024. The trial is continuing.
> In April 2025, Cody Balmer attempted to kill Pennsylvania’s Democratic Governor Josh Shapiro in an arson attack which caused extensive property damage but no injuries. Balmer was a Trump supporter at the time.
> The Democrat Speaker of the Minnesota House of Representatives Melissa Hortman and her husband Mark Hortman were killed by avid Trump supporter and registered Republican Vance Boelter in June 2025.
> Boelter then attempted to murder Minnesota Senator John Hoffman and succeeded in seriously injuring the senator and his wife.
Attempted Trump assassination, July 13, 2024. The shooter, Thomas Matthew Crooks, was a registered Republican.
t0bia_s · 1h ago
Robert Fico, Donald Trump, Charlie Kirk, Solomon Pena, Fumio Kishida, Andriy Parubiy, Alejo Vidal-Quadras Roca, Shinzo Abe, Jair Bolsonaro...
All of them represents of right orientated politics and are a victims of assassination in recent years.
tzs · 33m ago
What does that have to do with US domestic terrorists, which is what the study concerned?
Trump is the only one on your list where it was a US domestic terrorist.
The shooter in that case seems to have been more right-aligned than left-aligned but there is nothing definitive. He donated $15 to Democrats when he was 17, but a few months later when he was 18 and registered to vote he registered as a Republican. A social media account that is thought to be associated with him had a lot of anti-immigration and antisemitic content.
Mr_Eri_Atlov · 2h ago
The party insists that political violence, by definition, requires a suitable leftist minority identity to apply.
Any violence by a member of the party is just sparkling patriotism.
Other than the Weather Underground, I'm having trouble thinking of left wing groups.
crock_smacker · 3h ago
I think most organized and militarized western leftist groups were probably defunct by the end of the Cold war.
I’d assume it’s mostly a product of who the enemy was during the Cold War. Though I understand the far right made a large shift in how decentralized they operate around the end of the 20th century too after the feds started picking a lot of various KKK and other organization members off.
The US' DOJ would not be concerned about Colombian revolutionaries like this though
bryanlarsen · 3h ago
If significant armed left wing groups actually existed, we might actually get meaningful gun control legislation, like happened during the rise of Black Panther.
mtharrison · 3h ago
Strawman Front
proxyon · 3h ago
antifa
hypeatei · 3h ago
Maybe I'm biased, but I don't think antifa has been relevant for the past... five years? My mind puts them in the pre-COVID bucket.
jdiff · 2h ago
They've remained a continuous feature of right wing scare media.
dylan604 · 1h ago
That doesn't make it true though. Just like 300 million Americans died from overdosing on drugs according to POTUS. They just say things knowing people in their base will not verify anything they say. If someone does, they clearly are opposition just making a stink.
jdiff · 16m ago
No, it certainly doesn't. But lies are the only relevance "antifa" has, and if you ask the people caught up in it, they'll adamantly insist that antifa is an extensive organization with identifiable leaders and cohesive plans that are executed widely by a unified member body.
None of that's true. But we should be aware of the lies being told, at least the ones told widely.
cstoner · 3h ago
Generally, when someone says something like "left wing groups" they mean something with a formal organization.
"Antifa" is less of an organization than even some loose collective like "anonymous"
Are there left-wing agitators? Sure, black bloc and other "direct action" protestors have been around since at least the world trade protests in the 90s.
But to the best of my knowledge there isn't really a formal "antifa" organization to dismantle or anything.
BatteryMountain · 3h ago
Non-american here: if you get to the point where you want to kill another person or groups of people, it doesn't really matter whether you are left/right/pink/blue/whatever. You are unwell. To blame an entire group for one person's mental break is silly. You have no idea what is in another person's head, what their beliefs are, which of those beliefs are conflicting with each other. You might as well say that because the person ate pizza on the day, that we should blame and ban italian pizza places. Silly.
I live in a very broken country too, but our people are not shooting up random places/people. We have many guns too, so we cannot attribute it to that.
I think the kind of person that is willing to kill others (in the american sense, shootings), typically are highly suicidal but since they are able to blame the society or some aspect of society, they come to the conclusion to not commit suicide but to rather attack the system as a final punishment / giving up moment or to assert that they have some form of control. They ofcoarse find no relief there either.
Meanwhile your media and politician use these people as scape goats and cheerleaders for their own agendas. Disgusting in its own right.
jdiff · 54m ago
Killing innocents is for the unwell, but assassinations have been a staple of politics for as long as humanity has had politics.
It also doesn't follow that an entire group can't be held for a single person's actions. There are plenty of organizations that go out of their way to shape individuals' ways of thinking in order (or otherwise compel them) to harm groups of innocent others. Those groups can and absolutely should be held accountable.
I think this is not too surprising? Both the result and the action of hiding it?
From my understanding, right-wing usually means more pro-gun. If you already have guns, the threshold for terrorist actions is likely lower.
hypeatei · 4h ago
> I think this is not too surprising?
I don't think we should normalize cover ups like this especially when it comes to political violence studies. POTUS immediately blamed the "radical left" after the attack without evidence. Not only is that reckless, it's not even the most likely scenario.
> If you already have guns, the threshold for terrorist actions is likely lower
Guns are easily accessible to everyone in America.
jdiff · 3h ago
Guns are accessible, but prior gun ownership is skewed, and prior gun ownership is one less barrier to cross when attempting political violence. In theory, that should mean increased attempts for that high-gun-ownership demographic.
mingus88 · 2h ago
Exactly, because owning a gun and being trained are very different things.
I own guns but I am not capable of performing a Charlie Kirk style assassination. Nor could I actually carry out a school shooting with high rate of fire across many weapons.
Both of these crimes require that the shooter have training and practice in this style of shooting. You need specialized equipment beyond what a casual gun owner will spend. Buying a 9mm and going to the range every couple of months isn’t cutting it.
Gun culture creates the environment where folk are prepping for combat situations. Go watch any guntuber and you’ll see them train for military situations that your hunter, farmer, or even family defense gun owner is not concerned with.
In fact, I learned that there’s a pejorative term “Fudds” for gun owners who aren’t militarized like this. As in, Elmer Fudd; an actual hunter that uses guns for game. Somehow this is not a respectable person for a gun nut.
When gun ownership becomes a hobby and personality trait you see a lot more people optimizing their habits toward maximum lethality
Insanity · 3h ago
True, but if you already have them at home and you’re raised in a family that uses them, presumably the barrier to using one is lower.
arthurofbabylon · 4h ago
Not surprising, and absolutely newsworthy.
Insanity · 3h ago
Oh yes, I didn’t mean to say it should be ignored. Just more expressing that sadly I’m not surprised by this action with the current government.
add-sub-mul-div · 4h ago
> Elon Musk, who owns X, recently tweeted that he was going to “fix” the platform’s AI assistant Grok after it cited research that showed right-wing violence was more common than left-wing violence: “My apologies, we are fixing this cringe idiocy by Grok,” he said.
I understand why it's hard to make AI that's accurate, but Musk's elite engineers can't even make it push a preferred narrative consistently. Sounds like it should be a much easier problem to solve.
altcognito · 4h ago
I think the last time they tried it ended up going mechahitler
Insanity · 3h ago
Regardless of the bias inherent in Grok, it wasn't a good experience to me. I tried it for some time before going back to ChatGPT (this was before GPT-5 though, I'm also not super happy with GPT-5 UX)
jdiff · 2h ago
What issues did you have with Grok/are having with GPT5?
tim333 · 2h ago
I find it quite amusing that Grok tends to contradict Musk's untruths.
Mr_Eri_Atlov · 1h ago
The last time they tried to make it agree with Elon consistently, it proclaimed itself to be mechahitler so...
This book might be relevant for those trying to understand why and how fascists attempt to control the narrative by suppression of the free press, erasure of documents, and nowadays hiding and flagging posts on social media and popular RSS feeds: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/207294076-erasing-histor...
ck2 · 3h ago
While it's important to note they are trying to delete stuff like that
it's way way more alarming they are deleting cancer research, for many decades to come
and the weird thing is no-one quite understands why, this is not even vaccine related
jacquesm · 3h ago
The most likely explanation that I've seen so far is that the trans-humanists believe that they will solve the aging problem and that that will solve cancer as a byproduct, so we should pour lots of money into their pet subject. It's pretty obvious why they would want to solve aging first as long as they don't have cancer, after that it is going to be a toss-up.
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TFA
https://www.npr.org/2022/09/02/1120690193/bidens-speech-walk...
Why were the Jan. 6 rioters pardoned by the party of "law and order"?
> In 2018, Cesar Altieri Sayoc was sentenced to 20 years prison for sending pipe bombs to nine prominent Democrats, including Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden and Maxine Waters. Sayoc was a registered Republican.
> In 2020, 13 men attempted to punish Michigan’s Democrat Governor Gretchen Whitmer for enforcing Covid lockdown measures. All were far right extremists.
> Roy Den Hollander murdered human rights lawyer Marc Angelucci in July 2020. He then tried to kill district judge Esther Salas, but succeeded instead in murdering her son and seriously wounding her husband. Hollander was a far right Trump supporter.
> Quintez Brown attempted to kill Democratic Mayor of Louisville, Kentucky, Craig Greenberg, in February 2022. Brown was motivated by Black nationalism, pan-Africanism and revolutionary socialism.
> In October 2022 David DePape seriously injured Paul Pelosi with a hammer while seeking to kill House of Representatives Speaker, Nancy Pelosi. DePape is a far right Trump supporter.
> In December 2022, Solomon Peña paid gunmen to attack the houses of Democrat state lawmakers in New Mexico. Peña is a registered Republican and a former candidate for state office.
> Craig Robertson was shot and killed by FBI agents in August 2023 while being arrested for threats against President Joe Biden and others. Robertson was an army veteran with extreme right wing views.
> Donald Trump himself was targeted at a July 2024 rally in Pennsylvania. The shooter Thomas Crooks killed one attendee and injured three others, including Trump, whose ear was cut by a flying fragment. Crooks was a registered Republican.
> Another attempt on Trump’s life, thwarted before completion, was made by Trump voter Ryan Routh in September 2024. The trial is continuing.
> In April 2025, Cody Balmer attempted to kill Pennsylvania’s Democratic Governor Josh Shapiro in an arson attack which caused extensive property damage but no injuries. Balmer was a Trump supporter at the time.
> The Democrat Speaker of the Minnesota House of Representatives Melissa Hortman and her husband Mark Hortman were killed by avid Trump supporter and registered Republican Vance Boelter in June 2025.
> Boelter then attempted to murder Minnesota Senator John Hoffman and succeeded in seriously injuring the senator and his wife.
[1] https://azexpress.net/en/posts/509/none-of-the-last-31-polit...
Attempted Trump assassination, July 13, 2024. The shooter, Thomas Matthew Crooks, was a registered Republican.
All of them represents of right orientated politics and are a victims of assassination in recent years.
Trump is the only one on your list where it was a US domestic terrorist.
The shooter in that case seems to have been more right-aligned than left-aligned but there is nothing definitive. He donated $15 to Democrats when he was 17, but a few months later when he was 18 and registered to vote he registered as a Republican. A social media account that is thought to be associated with him had a lot of anti-immigration and antisemitic content.
Any violence by a member of the party is just sparkling patriotism.
I’d assume it’s mostly a product of who the enemy was during the Cold War. Though I understand the far right made a large shift in how decentralized they operate around the end of the 20th century too after the feds started picking a lot of various KKK and other organization members off.
None of that's true. But we should be aware of the lies being told, at least the ones told widely.
"Antifa" is less of an organization than even some loose collective like "anonymous"
Are there left-wing agitators? Sure, black bloc and other "direct action" protestors have been around since at least the world trade protests in the 90s.
But to the best of my knowledge there isn't really a formal "antifa" organization to dismantle or anything.
I live in a very broken country too, but our people are not shooting up random places/people. We have many guns too, so we cannot attribute it to that.
I think the kind of person that is willing to kill others (in the american sense, shootings), typically are highly suicidal but since they are able to blame the society or some aspect of society, they come to the conclusion to not commit suicide but to rather attack the system as a final punishment / giving up moment or to assert that they have some form of control. They ofcoarse find no relief there either.
Meanwhile your media and politician use these people as scape goats and cheerleaders for their own agendas. Disgusting in its own right.
It also doesn't follow that an entire group can't be held for a single person's actions. There are plenty of organizations that go out of their way to shape individuals' ways of thinking in order (or otherwise compel them) to harm groups of innocent others. Those groups can and absolutely should be held accountable.
From my understanding, right-wing usually means more pro-gun. If you already have guns, the threshold for terrorist actions is likely lower.
I don't think we should normalize cover ups like this especially when it comes to political violence studies. POTUS immediately blamed the "radical left" after the attack without evidence. Not only is that reckless, it's not even the most likely scenario.
> If you already have guns, the threshold for terrorist actions is likely lower
Guns are easily accessible to everyone in America.
I own guns but I am not capable of performing a Charlie Kirk style assassination. Nor could I actually carry out a school shooting with high rate of fire across many weapons.
Both of these crimes require that the shooter have training and practice in this style of shooting. You need specialized equipment beyond what a casual gun owner will spend. Buying a 9mm and going to the range every couple of months isn’t cutting it.
Gun culture creates the environment where folk are prepping for combat situations. Go watch any guntuber and you’ll see them train for military situations that your hunter, farmer, or even family defense gun owner is not concerned with.
In fact, I learned that there’s a pejorative term “Fudds” for gun owners who aren’t militarized like this. As in, Elmer Fudd; an actual hunter that uses guns for game. Somehow this is not a respectable person for a gun nut.
When gun ownership becomes a hobby and personality trait you see a lot more people optimizing their habits toward maximum lethality
I understand why it's hard to make AI that's accurate, but Musk's elite engineers can't even make it push a preferred narrative consistently. Sounds like it should be a much easier problem to solve.
This book might be relevant for those trying to understand why and how fascists attempt to control the narrative by suppression of the free press, erasure of documents, and nowadays hiding and flagging posts on social media and popular RSS feeds: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/207294076-erasing-histor...
it's way way more alarming they are deleting cancer research, for many decades to come
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/14/magazine/trump-administra...
and the weird thing is no-one quite understands why, this is not even vaccine related