Thank you. I included the url params when I made the post, but it appears that HN strips these.
noobermin · 19h ago
Can people currently in these companies tell me why the companies are forcing people to use AI? I understand offering as an option, the constant forced opt-ins is leading to obvious fatigue...
pjmlp · 19h ago
Basically FOMO, and keeping shareholders happy.
We have OKRs for using AI, yet no dev tooling allowed without customer permission in projects delivery.
So you have this ridiculous situation where the only tool devs are allowed to use is CoPilot 365, and pasting/saving code, for those that care about their OKRs.
0xbadcafebee · 19h ago
Same reason random companies shipped Web 3.0 and NFTs. They were hoping to make money off it. They're now hoping if they sprinkle some AI pixie dust it will make money. If they're smart they can grab a couple million off the AI bandwagon before it goes bust. Either way they need to keep up with the joneses.
pwdisswordfishz · 11h ago
Companies shipped the Semantic Web? When?
0xbadcafebee · 9h ago
Web3, not 3.0 (I didn't realize they both use the same name). As late as last year I got a recruiter asking if I wanted to work for a Real Estate startup that was gonna use Web3 and Blockchain Technology to "revolutionize the housing market".
feverzsj · 19h ago
To attract more investment, because it's the hottest trend. They don't care if it actually works and profits.
epolanski · 18h ago
Microsoft wants to lock you as soon as possible in their ecosystem for AI-usage?
If they can get the many GH enterprise users to use copilot on their repos, then for Microsoft the future is merely about optimizing their margins while the technology keeps getting better.
mrbigbob · 11h ago
Like others have said to justify their spending/make shareholders happy. its exactly like why is web search a part of windows search feature ? The answer is simple: gotta make Bing look good to shareholders
rgreekguy · 19h ago
Microsoft only forces things, it's not a surprise at this point.
toomuchtodo · 19h ago
To grow revenue. If it’s an option, it is less likely to be bought versus including it and increasing prices to get towards growth goals.
Tech wants the growth, companies consuming this want to be able to do more with less people. The result is the current experience.
(TLDR line go up)
karmakaze · 11h ago
My problem isn't that the AI is stock feature, it's that it's poorly bolted-on UX everywhere as popups/overlays etc that have to be dismissed to see/continue what I'm in the middle of doing. It's like getting a GDPR popover, not the first time you visit a new site, but every time you're doing a routine task.
georgemcbay · 19h ago
Can't make a bubble without generating a lot of froth.
iphone_elegance · 18h ago
CEO tells CTO to allocate budget towards increasing productivity with AI and this is the asnwer, it's easy to enable and not that expensive to trial
shmerl · 19h ago
After investing a lot of money, bean counters can make things look better on paper if they can say "you see, everyone is using it". Others want to benefit from users actually training their AI. So they'll feed you all kind of party slogans, but they rarely are real motivations.
_Algernon_ · 19h ago
They have invested huge amounts in the AI bubble which they have to justify to shareholders and / or investors. The easiest way to do this is to integrate it into existing products which already exists so they can claim millions of daily active users.
Same reason Google has added AI summary to their most used product: search.
rcleveng · 19h ago
:shocked_pikachu_face:
In all seriousness, I was using a different LLM with vscode, and it still kept popping up dialogs about copilot. This is after I had uninstalled the copilot extensions (or at least I tried to uninstall it all).
I'd love for the IDE's like cursor to be able to be an extension on vscode and such, but this type of thing makes it super hard for that to be a reality.
feverzsj · 19h ago
Since copilot is trained with opensource code, wouldn't more opensource vibe code make the model collapse?
euLh7SM5HDFY · 16h ago
It isn't just code, all AI models need to train on equivalent of low-background radiation steel, before the nuke was detonated(or ChatGPT was released to public).
skinner927 · 19h ago
That is generally a problem with all AI right now.
RajT88 · 12h ago
Didn't people prove that MSFT trained it on private repos too?
bravetraveler · 17h ago
Not factored into OKRs, unfortunately. Maybe next time. Or never!
egorfine · 14h ago
They will not let people disable Copilot.
The reason is that "we are all-in on AI". [1] They have spent so much funds on AI infra that now they have to justify these decisions before the investors by forcing Copilot on everyone.
PS: I absolutely love Copilot. What I hate is MS's approach to it
qhwudbebd · 17h ago
I think it's pretty much policy by now that GitHub don't allow features to be disabled by users who dislike them. Those of us with public projects that don't or can't accept contributions through GH PRs (including niche things like torvalds/linux) have been asking to disable PRs since day 1.
Szpadel · 16h ago
doesn't you need to explicitly add copilot as reviewer for it to comment?
I recently tried it for our own PRs and it is far from perfect but it was able to find some typos, and I had to explicitly ask it for doing review
am I missing something?
hommes-r · 16h ago
Sad to see the "change world GDP" mantra didn't trickle down to the people doing the actual plumbing.
cadamsdotcom · 18h ago
Don't panic.
These forced AI shenanigans won't last, just like Clippy in ms word back in the day. Now barely a memory.
jmclnx · 12h ago
If I was still on github, I would also vote to disable copilot.
But I wonder if my usage back then would even run afoul of copilot ?
All I did was access github using ssh(1)/git(1). I only went into the WEB Page to create new projects, so maybe copilot would have been a non-issue for me.
Github was just a storage location to allow other people to get my items.
They are:
- https://github.com/orgs/community/discussions/159749
- https://github.com/orgs/community/discussions/169148
We have OKRs for using AI, yet no dev tooling allowed without customer permission in projects delivery.
So you have this ridiculous situation where the only tool devs are allowed to use is CoPilot 365, and pasting/saving code, for those that care about their OKRs.
If they can get the many GH enterprise users to use copilot on their repos, then for Microsoft the future is merely about optimizing their margins while the technology keeps getting better.
Tech wants the growth, companies consuming this want to be able to do more with less people. The result is the current experience.
(TLDR line go up)
Same reason Google has added AI summary to their most used product: search.
In all seriousness, I was using a different LLM with vscode, and it still kept popping up dialogs about copilot. This is after I had uninstalled the copilot extensions (or at least I tried to uninstall it all).
I'd love for the IDE's like cursor to be able to be an extension on vscode and such, but this type of thing makes it super hard for that to be a reality.
The reason is that "we are all-in on AI". [1] They have spent so much funds on AI infra that now they have to justify these decisions before the investors by forcing Copilot on everyone.
[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/vscode/comments/1mk7dcc/comment/n7g...
PS: I absolutely love Copilot. What I hate is MS's approach to it
I recently tried it for our own PRs and it is far from perfect but it was able to find some typos, and I had to explicitly ask it for doing review
am I missing something?
These forced AI shenanigans won't last, just like Clippy in ms word back in the day. Now barely a memory.
But I wonder if my usage back then would even run afoul of copilot ?
All I did was access github using ssh(1)/git(1). I only went into the WEB Page to create new projects, so maybe copilot would have been a non-issue for me.
Github was just a storage location to allow other people to get my items.