Not just Erlang, but all the other languages like Elixir (powers Discord), Gleam and others.
cisrockandroll · 5h ago
Congratulations
mananaysiempre · 7h ago
Highlights (emphasis mine):
> Open source maintainers can request a free license by emailing safe@erlang-solutions.com and including a link to their [GitHub] repository. Once approved, we provide a SAFE license for one month or up to a year, depending on the project’s needs, at no cost.
The legalese[1] (is incoherent but apparently) does not pass the Curl test, that is, the maintainer of Curl—who gets money by providing commercial support for his completely FOSS project—wouldn’t be allowed to use this had it applied to him:
> You can only use SAFE for open-source software. Any commercial use is prohibited.
The point you're trying to make about Curl is more unclear than anything in that license.
mananaysiempre · 5h ago
It’s a reference to a four-year-old discussion[1] in the Curl bug tracker about Travis CI introducing a similar prohibition on commercial activity in relation to open-source projects. The more general point is, fully open-source projects that earn money via support contracts are few and precious, and it’s a dick move to cut them off.
I've seen BEAM mentioned several times on here in the last few months. Is there some sort of thing going on with erlang that I'm out of the loop on?
arcanemachiner · 4h ago
Erlang/BEAM/Elixir stuff shows up on the front page of Hacker News pretty often, I'd say at least once per month.
Elixir was a HN darling a few years back. Publicity has somewhat waned since then.
To answer your question, I would say "no", that no particularly interesting things have emerged from that community lately. Just more stuff happened to make it to the front page. (That is not to say anything bad of the BEAM community, just that I see nothing particularly outstanding of late which would warrant such a claim.)
I would say the most recent newsworthy events would include:
- The Erlang `:ssh` module had a serious CVE that required an immediate upgrade for anyone using it.
- Gleam, a BEAM language with static typing, had a v1.0 release.
- Phoenix LiveView also reached v1.0.
- Elixir is making steady progress on the implementation of a static type system, using a novel "set theoretic" type system.
Overall, I would say that the ecosystem as a whole is progressing slowly but steadily.
Towaway69 · 46m ago
There is Erlang-Red[1] that is bring a visual flow based programming approach to Erlang.
Neat project, and I think erlang (or its offshoots, like elixir) are great candidates for this sort of thing.
That said, I take issue with this:
>is great for creating data flows that actually describe concurrent processing, it is just a shame the NodeJS is single threaded
Its not really true, there are `worker_threads`[0] as well as a cluster process module[1] for multi processing.
The nodejs runtime has really come a long way here. Though, it is true that by default, its single threaded, and one could argue, and I'd agree with it, that its much easier to do multi process / multi threaded work on the BEAM since it was built with this in mind from the get go.
Never the less, its not so true that NodeJS is limited to a single thread!
It's not in Acronym Finder. There are many hits for BEAM, but this isn't in the top 10.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BEAM_(Erlang_virtual_machine)
> Open source maintainers can request a free license by emailing safe@erlang-solutions.com and including a link to their [GitHub] repository. Once approved, we provide a SAFE license for one month or up to a year, depending on the project’s needs, at no cost.
The legalese[1] (is incoherent but apparently) does not pass the Curl test, that is, the maintainer of Curl—who gets money by providing commercial support for his completely FOSS project—wouldn’t be allowed to use this had it applied to him:
> You can only use SAFE for open-source software. Any commercial use is prohibited.
[1] https://www.erlang-solutions.com/policies/safe-for-open-sour...
[1] https://github.com/curl/curl/issues/7150
Elixir was a HN darling a few years back. Publicity has somewhat waned since then.
To answer your question, I would say "no", that no particularly interesting things have emerged from that community lately. Just more stuff happened to make it to the front page. (That is not to say anything bad of the BEAM community, just that I see nothing particularly outstanding of late which would warrant such a claim.)
I would say the most recent newsworthy events would include:
- The Erlang `:ssh` module had a serious CVE that required an immediate upgrade for anyone using it.
- Gleam, a BEAM language with static typing, had a v1.0 release.
- Phoenix LiveView also reached v1.0.
- Elixir is making steady progress on the implementation of a static type system, using a novel "set theoretic" type system.
Overall, I would say that the ecosystem as a whole is progressing slowly but steadily.
That’s something new in the Erlang world.
[1] = https://github.com/gorenje/erlang-red
That said, I take issue with this:
>is great for creating data flows that actually describe concurrent processing, it is just a shame the NodeJS is single threaded
Its not really true, there are `worker_threads`[0] as well as a cluster process module[1] for multi processing.
The nodejs runtime has really come a long way here. Though, it is true that by default, its single threaded, and one could argue, and I'd agree with it, that its much easier to do multi process / multi threaded work on the BEAM since it was built with this in mind from the get go.
Never the less, its not so true that NodeJS is limited to a single thread!
[0]: https://nodejs.org/api/worker_threads.html
[1]: https://nodejs.org/api/cluster.html
https://fonts.adobe.com/fonts/aktiv-grotesk-extended
There is no need to editorialize the title.