Rust Belt Voters Are Sick of Both Parties

1 PaulHoule 3 7/11/2025, 11:33:21 AM jacobin.com ↗

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jfengel · 1d ago
The proposed platform:

* Stop big companies that receive tax dollars from laying off workers who pay taxes.

* Guarantee everyone who wants to work has a decent-paying job, and if the private sector can’t provide it, the government will

* Raise the minimum wage so every family can lead a decent life

* Stop drug company price-gouging and put price controls on food cartels

So... the Democratic party platform, then?

And then these Rust Belt voters vote for Republicans, who despise these goals, and scream epithets at Democrats when they espouse them.

People can say that these are things that they want, but they don't actually vote for them. Democrats have many failings, but they at least know that what people tell pollsters is not the same as the way they vote.

PaulHoule · 10h ago
It's a position some people in the Democratic Party would have but that it less likely to endorse at the national level and even less likely to act on.

Number 4 is a position that is rising in popularity generally that is somewhat well articulated here

https://www.thebignewsletter.com/

One simple story about the 2024 election is that college educated people voted for Harris and the rest voted for Trump which is the big takeaway of a conversation Ezra Klein had with a pollster.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sx0J7dIlL7c

Jacobin has the problem that Marxism is something that appeals to highly educated systematizers, e.g. the college educated. The reason why the U.S. doesn't have representation in the fourth international is that in the 1980 the leaders of the Socialist Workers Party, inspired by Castroism, thought that their college-educated cadre ought to "go native" in workplaces and it was something they didn't want to do.

Marx himself said that the Labor movement would lead to the emergence of real working-class leadership, which it does, but the decline of unions means the decline of that pathway. (e.g. when my Uni hired non-union glaziers to put up glass for a building the glaziers set up a 12-foot high inflatable rat; maybe it makes a good image but that's not intellectual; accept his ideology or not, but Marx was one of the founders of contemporary social science and very much an intellectual.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflatable_rat

gsf_emergency_2 · 4m ago
Let either of us stay just ever so slightly ahead of Ezra by observing that, of the handful of Euro entities that have been shifting left:

Norway <- Oil (with help from Iraqi)

Denmark <- Ozempic/oil?

Iceland <- Geothermal

(Shifted a bit right, but)

Spain <- solar roll out

Pretty certain chatbots ain't gonna do it given the financing climate