The first thing in my view is reliable storage medium. The professional CD you bought ( likely not the one you burn with CD-R ) 20 - 30 years ago would still work in a CD player today. The same going with Gaming CD / DVD / Cartridge.
But Network has completely taken over and we loss that. Even Nintendo Switch 2 Game Card is now only going to be a Game Key.
I am not entirely sure we could solve that with technology. Network has gotten so cheap, and will continue to get faster and cheaper that I think may be in a way there is no point competing.
And if we cant do that. Let say we cant make a write once / a few times 128GB NAND product that last 50 years and cost less than a dollar to make.
May be then the only solution is a law to protect consumer that the digital things we buy would still be available for us to download for at least x number of years. Especially when considering hosting it and the bandwidth is so cheap it isn't really a big risk for companies.
It is getting ridiculous that both Google, Apple thinks they own everything I paid for. They think they are merely renting out their tech to me, both hardware and software.
yreg · 3m ago
> available for us to download for at least x number of years.
The company should be obliged to keep hosting all digital assets they've ever sold to an end consumer.
And the law should be that when they want to get rid of this responsibility they have to remove the DRM first.
Of course they could just jump to subscription model entirely where you never own anything, but even that would be at least more honest than the present state.
Y_Y · 2h ago
> May be then the only solution is a law to protect consumer than the digital things we buy would still be available for us to download for at least x number of years. Especially when considering hosting it and the bandwidth is so cheap it isn't really a big risk for companies.
Why rely on the original publisher? Let me download it and then share it.
I think it's a much simpler requirement that the product be functional without "phoning home" and when the original prosper stops selling it then libraries abd torrents and archive websites step in.
”real men just upload their important stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it ;)”
- Linus Torvalds
makeitdouble · 1h ago
To play the devil/right holder's advocate, the next turn in that game is to never "sell" anything, so you won't have "bought" the content nor have any standard codified right to it.
We're already there in many places of course, and many stores have already replaced the "buy" action with more ambiguous wording.
Next turn to that being people turning to the seventh' seas, and then we have again an iTunes Store/Steam moment, and the cycle goes on.
neepi · 58m ago
As an owner of 30+ year old CDs, that isn't necessarily the case. Some of them don't work particularly well these days. I went through a streaming thing for about 10 years but am moving back to physical media now. When I went to re-rip my CDs to FLAC I found some serious issues with a number of CDs which were chock full of errors around the edges.
Anyway after this I decided, fuck it, screw reliable storage or buying things on media. I'll buy it in a digital form and keep moving it around in less reliable media (mostly SSDs) until I'm dead.
I don't care about ownership. I care about not having to buy things twice and care about things I've bought being taken away. That's slightly different.
f1shy · 2h ago
> in a CD player today
If you find one. Last year I was searching for good old fashion players. There are only old used in the market. The only new ones are crap.
In 10 years will be difficult to find good players.
BSDobelix · 2h ago
>The first thing in my view is reliable storage medium.
We have that, it's called spinning Rust with ZFS + Backup (M-DISK?), what's more important where do you buy your stuff for example Nintendo vs GOG.
Don't buy Software that you cant "own".
Teever · 1h ago
I have a NAS with many terabytes of data stored on ZFS too, but this isn't a solution to the problem because the problem isn't technical one, it's a social one.
We need regulations around this kind of stuff and governments that are willing to break up companies that monopolize industries.
Companies like Autodesk and Adobe for instance have far too much control over very critical markets and the revenue that they extract from them allows them to lock down software in very onerous ways.
No amount of spinning rust and ZFS is going to make running offline versions of Fusion360 or Photoshop easy for the common person.
It's going to take legislation.
safety1st · 1h ago
I'm trying to understand what you're asking for that isn't available. Reliable portable storage? Isn't that what a portable SSD is? They start at like $60 for 1TB and get way cheaper per TB as you go up. Are you talking about a gaming-specific storage product/complaint specifically?
If the complaint is that large game distributors work to make it hard for you to store the bits on that SSD, yeah I totally hear you.
norman784 · 25m ago
I think he’s referring that it’s becoming harder and harder to buy media stored in that medium, nowadays most content is only available tough streaming services.
For those people the only way to obtain a digital local copy is via torrent.
apples_oranges · 2h ago
That’s true it’s ridiculous. But I kind of view most on my phone as a toy/convenient gadget. Ofc there are important things on it, mfa keys etc, but somehow I just care that I own my laptop and desktop computers. But maybe I think so because iPhone is locked down..
smcin · 45m ago
hoseyor wrote multiple interesting comments on this thread that seem to have gotten shadowbanned. (I didn't flag or ban them, this was hours ago).
(@hoseyor if you could repost more toned-down soberly-worded versions of those comments, without directly accusing multiple prominent tech companies of fraud, I think you'd get more traction.)
ashoeafoot · 1h ago
So ownership is a dmz neutral image hosting server?
TylerE · 2h ago
May not be the sure thing you think. A lot of (professional, pressed, retail)P Blu Rays are failing quite young. Less than a decade in some cases. Density is a bitch.
ksec · 2h ago
Oh dear really? I think I need to test it out someday. I had them stored somewhere. But no longer have my PS4 with me. This is really bad.
Sniffnoy · 2h ago
I notice that there's a comment on video from Ross Scott (Accursed Farms), who started the related Stop Killing Games (https://www.stopkillinggames.com/) campaign; it's not mentioned in the video itself but you may want to check it out.
evbogue · 2h ago
I've applied to multiple offerings from these folks and never hear back.
But Network has completely taken over and we loss that. Even Nintendo Switch 2 Game Card is now only going to be a Game Key.
I am not entirely sure we could solve that with technology. Network has gotten so cheap, and will continue to get faster and cheaper that I think may be in a way there is no point competing.
And if we cant do that. Let say we cant make a write once / a few times 128GB NAND product that last 50 years and cost less than a dollar to make.
May be then the only solution is a law to protect consumer that the digital things we buy would still be available for us to download for at least x number of years. Especially when considering hosting it and the bandwidth is so cheap it isn't really a big risk for companies.
It is getting ridiculous that both Google, Apple thinks they own everything I paid for. They think they are merely renting out their tech to me, both hardware and software.
The company should be obliged to keep hosting all digital assets they've ever sold to an end consumer.
And the law should be that when they want to get rid of this responsibility they have to remove the DRM first.
Of course they could just jump to subscription model entirely where you never own anything, but even that would be at least more honest than the present state.
Why rely on the original publisher? Let me download it and then share it.
I think it's a much simpler requirement that the product be functional without "phoning home" and when the original prosper stops selling it then libraries abd torrents and archive websites step in.
”real men just upload their important stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it ;)”
- Linus Torvalds
We're already there in many places of course, and many stores have already replaced the "buy" action with more ambiguous wording.
Next turn to that being people turning to the seventh' seas, and then we have again an iTunes Store/Steam moment, and the cycle goes on.
Anyway after this I decided, fuck it, screw reliable storage or buying things on media. I'll buy it in a digital form and keep moving it around in less reliable media (mostly SSDs) until I'm dead.
I don't care about ownership. I care about not having to buy things twice and care about things I've bought being taken away. That's slightly different.
If you find one. Last year I was searching for good old fashion players. There are only old used in the market. The only new ones are crap.
In 10 years will be difficult to find good players.
We have that, it's called spinning Rust with ZFS + Backup (M-DISK?), what's more important where do you buy your stuff for example Nintendo vs GOG.
Don't buy Software that you cant "own".
We need regulations around this kind of stuff and governments that are willing to break up companies that monopolize industries.
Companies like Autodesk and Adobe for instance have far too much control over very critical markets and the revenue that they extract from them allows them to lock down software in very onerous ways.
No amount of spinning rust and ZFS is going to make running offline versions of Fusion360 or Photoshop easy for the common person.
It's going to take legislation.
If the complaint is that large game distributors work to make it hard for you to store the bits on that SSD, yeah I totally hear you.
For those people the only way to obtain a digital local copy is via torrent.
(@hoseyor if you could repost more toned-down soberly-worded versions of those comments, without directly accusing multiple prominent tech companies of fraud, I think you'd get more traction.)