Recommendation for non-DOS/Unix open source OS outside x86/X64

44 anta40 46 3/23/2025, 12:37:11 PM
I know some interesting non-DOS/UNIX-based open source OS like HelenOS, MenuetOS, or Kolibri. They are X86/X64 only, though.

Are there similar things say for ARM/RISC/etc ?

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dlcarrier · 37d ago
There's RISC OS: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RISC_OS

It was written for the Acorn computers that were the original use of the ARM architecture. It's still around and is pretty lean, despite being complete with a GUI and network capabilities.

xet7 · 35d ago
RISC OS Direct has modern webbrowser, Iris:

https://www.riscosdev.com/direct/

mepian · 38d ago
The MIT Lisp machine system: https://tumbleweed.nu/lm-3/

Mezzano, a much more recent OS written in Common Lisp that runs on Arm rather than special hardware: https://github.com/froggey/Mezzano

andsoitis · 35d ago
Inferno - https://www.vitanuova.com/inferno/

Description from Wikipedia: “Inferno is a distributed operating system started at Bell Labs and now developed and maintained by Vita Nuova Holdings as free software under the MIT License. Inferno was based on the experience gained with Plan 9 from Bell Labs, and the further research of Bell Labs into operating systems, languages, on-the-fly compilers, graphics, security, networking and portability.”

wormius · 35d ago
Plan 9 - one version of which is 9front, which says this:

"Multiple installation media are provided for PC, Raspberry Pi, MNT Reform, and QEMU. For PC, burn an .iso file to CD, or dd it directly to USB media. For Raspberry Pi or MNT Reform, dd an .img file directly to sdcard.

The pi.img file can be used for Raspberry Pi 1, 2, and 3. The pi3.img file can be used for Raspberry Pi 3 and 4.

QEMU images are provided in QCOW2 format."

https://9front.org/releases/

rewgs · 35d ago
OP said non-Unix. I'd say that the successor to Unix is Unix-y enough to not qualify for this thread.
opless · 35d ago
It’s not as unix-y as you think.

Go try it

bandie91 · 35d ago
AFAIA plan9 takes the original unix ideas further than Unix or its descendents. in this light, plan9 is more unixy than unix.
opless · 34d ago
In two aspects only

1. Everything is a file. 2. A command does only one thing well

There's no init, fstab, etc etc etc. Very little of your Unix muscle memory will work.

rewgs · 34d ago
I've used it plenty ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ It's an odd duck and very interesting but the Unix roots are still clear IMO.
snvzz · 37d ago
There's Niklaus Wirth's Oberon[0].

0. https://www.projectoberon.net/

jdougan · 35d ago
There have been a number of passes at embedded Smalltalks. Eg. https://hackaday.com/2020/07/12/making-smalltalk-on-a-raspbe...

Back in the day, Tek oscilloscopes ran ST on the metal.

lboc · 35d ago
Are we to assume you want it to run on actual hardware? I imagine there are a number of OSes that qualify if emulation is acceptable. One I like:

http://www.vm370.org/

Full S/370 assembler source included.

rbanffy · 35d ago
Indeed. Very alien to Unix users. Also, the idea of virtual machine is totally different from what we currently use in KVM.
evanjrowley · 38d ago
Technically you can run Redox-OS on a Raspberry Pi 3 B+ (ARM), but it still works best on x86_64: https://doc.redox-os.org/book/raspi.html

If you decide you miss DOS, then you can also use the DOS emulator available on Redox-OS. It's not Linux but there are some linux-inspired stuff there, including apps from the Cosmic desktop environment. Both announced here: https://www.redox-os.org/news/release-0.9.0/

anta40 · 37d ago
"We are not a Linux/BSD clone, or POSIX-compliant..."

and

"It should be able to run most Linux/BSD programs with minimal modifications"

Hmm weird. Will give it a try, anyway.

raggi · 35d ago
slicktux · 35d ago
XINU (Xinu Is not UNIX) OS…good book on it too for Operating System design!

https://xinu.cs.purdue.edu/

notorandit · 35d ago
Exactly like xv6, Xinu is rather unix-ish. Still very very interesting to study.

https://github.com/mit-pdos/xv6-riscv

https://pdos.csail.mit.edu/6.828/2024/

toast0 · 34d ago
I've got a hobby OS that's currently x86 32-bit only. amd64 and arm64 are on my roadmap, but if all goes well, it's going to be the same experience on all three platforms, so arm64 won't be anymore exciting than x86 32-bit. Other than, you could run it on a raspberry pi or maybe an arm apple.

I imagine most hobby OSes are looking at arm support vs adding something else, and arm support is going to be more fiddly and have less to show for it. I haven't found much time to work on mine lately, but other things are way more important like getting my virtio-net driver and the v86 virtio-net device to work together; having networking in https://copy.sh/v86/?profile=crazierl would be really neat. Running on a pi would be neat too, but a browser demo is way more accessible.

mappu · 35d ago
ToaruOS has an ARMv8 port: https://github.com/klange/toaruos and Serenity has an ARM and RISC-V ports: https://github.com/SerenityOS/serenity ; although I think you would call them Unix-like.

Haiku has tier-2 ports to ARM, RISC-V, and SPARC: https://www.haiku-os.org/guides/building/port_status

ReactOS has an ARM32 port but the ARM64 one is not usable yet.

Skift apparently runs on ARM and RISC-V: https://skiftos.org/

yann-gael · 37d ago
You could try MorphOS or AROS, which turn your (old) Mac and others into Amigas
Amlal · 37d ago
I'm surprised that nobody has talked about HaikuOS, I used to daily drive for a while before returning to Linux or OS X, depending on what I do.
bauruine · 35d ago
>Supported platforms: x86, 32-bit and 64-bit

Because it's not relate to the question.

Edit: Sorry they support other platforms. See next comment.

oidar · 35d ago
bauruine · 35d ago
Thanks I haven't seen that. I take it all back. Maybe they could add a note on their download page.

https://www.haiku-os.org/get-haiku/r1beta5/

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LargoLasskhyfv · 37d ago
Sculpt yourself some https://genode.org/
DrNosferatu · 35d ago
I see many OSes here that are missing some lengthy, but apparently not extremely complicated - and quite well defined - parts / components / modules.

I wonder if letting loose a coding LLM on them with clear goals and a feedback loop, could bring them to (at least near) completion?

BearOso · 34d ago
Probably not helpfully. There isn't much like this to be found in any training data. The required code would be too novel, and I predict an LLM would hallucinate a good 2/3.
DrNosferatu · 34d ago
Wine improvement could be aided with LLMs by monitoring the output of a windows VM running and see what exactly to display, and what exactly to have in working (not program) RAM.

Same goes for perfect OpenSource Office with MSOffice compatibility: MSOffice is running on Windows is continuously monitored for reference, showing exactly what needs to be outputted. Have this in a feedback and reinforcement loop.

DrNosferatu · 34d ago
My point is to ask the LLM to implement the well-defined design documents. And tests for verification.
johnklos · 34d ago
TOPS on old PDP hardware (or an emulator) is quite interesting. If nothing else, it gives an appreciation for the age of many of the ideas that ended up in later OSes like CP/M and MS-DOS.
cydodon · 35d ago
EUMEL maybe? https://6xq.net/eumel/ (Z80, M68000 and later x86 as well)
vandyswa · 35d ago
RSX-280 for the Z280 CPU:

https://github.com/hperaza/RSX280

Nothing like DOS. Nothing like UNIX.

pjmlp · 35d ago
Project Oberon,

https://www.projectoberon.net

The evolution of Oberon based OSes,

Ethos, https://www.research-collection.ethz.ch/handle/20.500.11850/...

Active Oberon which is the Oberon variant I prefer,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A2_(operating_system) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Oberon https://gitlab.inf.ethz.ch/felixf/oberon

Some screenshots at my article, take it while the site still exists,

https://www.progtools.org/article.php?name=oberon&section=co...

SPIN, done in Modula-3

https://www-spin.cs.washington.edu/external/overview.html

Singularity,

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/project/singularity...

https://github.com/lastweek/source-singularity

Midori,

although no source code, the blog posts, existing talks and internal session at Microsof do provide some nice overview,

https://joeduffyblog.com/2015/11/03/blogging-about-midori/

"The Midori Operating System Overview"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37WgsoZpf3k

"Safe Systems Programming in C# and .NET"

https://www.infoq.com/presentations/csharp-systems-programmi...

"Safe Systems Software and the Future of Computing"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuD7SCqHB7k

Xerox PARC Mesa, used on the Xerox Star OS

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesa_(programming_language) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox_Star

https://computerhistory.org/blog/xerox-alto-source-code/

Xerox PARC Cedar, used on Dorado platforms

http://toastytech.com/guis/cedar.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_dt7NG38V4

https://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/xerox/parc/cedar/The...

https://worrydream.com/refs/Swineheart_1986_-_A_Structural_V...

http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/xerox/parc/techReports/CSL-83-1...

Xerox PARC Smalltalk,

original documentation can be taken from http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/FreeBooks.html

- Smalltalk-80, Bits of History, Words of Advice

- Smalltalk-80: The Language and its Implementation

- Smalltalk-80, The Interactive Programming Environment

Squeak and Pharos linage,

https://squeak.org/

https://pharo.org/

Xerox PARC Interlisp-D, with Medley

https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/1056743.1056745

https://interlisp.org/

House, written in Haskell

https://programatica.cs.pdx.edu/House/

MirageOS, written in OCaml, partially used by Docker (TCP/IP stack), and Xen Hypervisor

https://mirage.io/

https://mirage.io/blog/2022-04-06.vpnkit

https://xenproject.org/projects/mirage-os/

AmigaOS,

http://toastytech.com/guis/indexamiga.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga

https://www.amigaos.net/content/1/features

https://aros.sourceforge.io/

Solo in Concurrent Pascal,

The solo operating system: A concurrent pascal program

https://stacks.stanford.edu/file/druid:vb843ff4581/vb843ff45...

Lillith in Modula-2

https://bitsavers.org/pdf/eth/lilith/ETH7646_Lilith_A_Workst...

https://www.modula2.org/modula2-history.php

Now go out and explore, UNIX is not the be all, end all of how an OS is supposed to be, neither is C the ultimate systems programming language.

bohdanqq · 36d ago
HelenOS is multi-platform. Their certificate expired but from their site:

> HelenOS runs on eight different processor architectures

Pretty sure ARM is one of those.

mycall · 35d ago
Genode is interesting
gjvc · 35d ago
486sx33 · 38d ago
There is an arm version of pretty much every major Linux distribution now. I’ve used mint, debian, and kali all on arm.

Also, see below

https://distroware.gitlab.io/lists/RunsOnARM/

anta40 · 38d ago
My mistake. Guess what I meant is UNIX and UNIX-like.

Nothing personal against Linux, but I'd like to see something new, like TempleOS, for example.

486sx33 · 36d ago
There is quite a selection in the link I posted… for example FreeBSD/ARM
p_ing · 35d ago
FreeBSD is a direct descendant of BSD which is UNIX. The BSDs are about as close as you can get to UNIX today.