I wonder, is the value “fight for what you believe in” stronger in America than in other countries? I wonder if the conflicts in other countries histories muted this a bit, whereas America’s recent founding was literally built on this principle.
theospeak · 5h ago
You can't serious believe that this is an America only phenomenon. People have been "fighting for what they believe in" in all countries. A lot of them with higher stakes. This is not "exceptional".
This article is looking in all the wrong places,whereas the truth is much simpler and was always screaming from the outside, but America was deafened by it's "specialness".
Both parties veered right - one just more obvious then the other. That is what the people wanted. That is what the people chose. And that is what the people will pay for.
It doesn't help that Americans are trying left, right and center to find excuses for their rapid decline. Talking about how it was 30% who brought this on everyone else.
If that ws the case then Kamala would be president.
Own it.
techpineapple · 4h ago
I didn’t say only in America, I said stronger in America. Freedom is a global value but probably stronger in America too(to a fault, I think some of these values are taken to excess in American society to the point of pathology)
“It doesn’t help that Americans are trying left, right and center to find excuses for their rapid decline. Talking about how it was 30% who brought this on everyone else”
To me this is the core thrust of the article.
theospeak · 4h ago
Agreed. You did not say "Only in America". Everybody wants to be free. Some just believe they are more free then others, until proven otherwise.
This is not a fault of the average American,but more an indictment of an insular education system which does not address much of the world.
And that is why college educated Americans have strikingly different world views from the ones who just finished high school. The highschoolers have been "taught", and there was nothing in their personal experience or further education to change their minds, until they are exposed to places that are less insulated of course, because TV and social media can only do so much.
techpineapple · 6h ago
Also, one thing I observe. There’s sort of free-speech as a law and free-speech as a value. And from a legal perspective, I think like free-speech as law should be minimally prosecuted. For me this is just sort of a left-leaning libertarian value about a minimalistic legal system.
But one thing I notice listening to the FIRE leaders, is they don’t just think the government should stay out of legal issues, They think that the solution to all problems is more speech and we should all be in the fray speaking as passionately as possible about all issues.
And certainly Jack Dorsey either believes this or ran Twitter as if he did which is essentially the same thing.
And I think the reality is more impassioned inflamed speech is not going to solve these fundamental culture war issues. In fact as the blog opines, they probably make them worse.
theospeak · 6h ago
Social media exposed all of America's key disadvantages.
_wire_ · 6h ago
This article speaks crazy:
Wall St is eating the young as a fascist dictatorship rises.
How did social media go so wrong?!
Cory Doctorow has a word for the California Ideology Republican bovine spongiform encephalopathy that's swept the nation: I think he calls it enfecesification...?
I wonder, is the value “fight for what you believe in” stronger in America than in other countries? I wonder if the conflicts in other countries histories muted this a bit, whereas America’s recent founding was literally built on this principle.
This article is looking in all the wrong places,whereas the truth is much simpler and was always screaming from the outside, but America was deafened by it's "specialness".
Both parties veered right - one just more obvious then the other. That is what the people wanted. That is what the people chose. And that is what the people will pay for.
It doesn't help that Americans are trying left, right and center to find excuses for their rapid decline. Talking about how it was 30% who brought this on everyone else.
If that ws the case then Kamala would be president.
Own it.
“It doesn’t help that Americans are trying left, right and center to find excuses for their rapid decline. Talking about how it was 30% who brought this on everyone else”
To me this is the core thrust of the article.
This is not a fault of the average American,but more an indictment of an insular education system which does not address much of the world.
And that is why college educated Americans have strikingly different world views from the ones who just finished high school. The highschoolers have been "taught", and there was nothing in their personal experience or further education to change their minds, until they are exposed to places that are less insulated of course, because TV and social media can only do so much.
But one thing I notice listening to the FIRE leaders, is they don’t just think the government should stay out of legal issues, They think that the solution to all problems is more speech and we should all be in the fray speaking as passionately as possible about all issues.
And certainly Jack Dorsey either believes this or ran Twitter as if he did which is essentially the same thing.
And I think the reality is more impassioned inflamed speech is not going to solve these fundamental culture war issues. In fact as the blog opines, they probably make them worse.
Wall St is eating the young as a fascist dictatorship rises.
How did social media go so wrong?!
Cory Doctorow has a word for the California Ideology Republican bovine spongiform encephalopathy that's swept the nation: I think he calls it enfecesification...?