Is there anyone who can explain why two attacks happened yesterday, but only one of them is allowed to be discussed here?
iyn · 2h ago
I think you raise a valid point and I've seen it multiple times already that links/stories about Israel's crimes tend to be flagged on HN and not shown to most users. I don't have a good explanation.
seszett · 1h ago
> I don't have a good explanation.
Russians are somewhat shut off from the Internet and HN is blocked there as far as I know. And although polls say they support the war, it seems more like passive support/apathy than an active support of their government.
On the other hand, Israel does not significantly censor the Internet and the Israeli citizens largely support their government, so it makes sense they influence the rankings disproportionately compared to Russians.
jacquesm · 2h ago
So are stories about Russian attacks on Ukraine. This one is the exception so far and likely only because it involves a NATO member. And I still wouldn't be surprised if it got flagged.
krapp · 32m ago
It's a relatively slow thread without an obviously provocative title, that's probably the only reason it hasn't been flagged yet.
consumer451 · 5h ago
This is significant, is it not?
This is the first time a NATO member has directly destroyed Russian (if that is the case) military hardware, since when?
edit: To answer my own question, since only 2015 when a Turkish F-16 shot down a Russian Su-24.
jacquesm · 5h ago
Yes, very much so. I was passing through Eastern Poland a few weeks ago and saw a patriot deployed in a field, up and running and ready to go. That's a first as long as I've traveled, to see active military resources deployed on NATO allied territory outside of an exercise.
inglor_cz · 4h ago
This is significant but also in line with standard Russian behavior as we know it from the last century; they will push as long and as far as they can. Zero respect for normal diplomatic relations or smaller nations. The entire eastern half of Europe has plenty of experience with this.
There need to be some reprisals for this incursion, otherwise more Shaheds will "arrive" by "bad luck", of course.
A no-fly zone over a stretch of Western Ukraine, enforced by NATO air power, would be in place. Manned Russian aircraft don't operate there, only drones and missiles.
jacquesm · 3h ago
There is absolutely no chance that this was not exactly as planned.
iyn · 2h ago
One _could_ argue that GPS jamming by the Ukrainian forces is getting better at confusing Russian's systems — but I do agree in principle that this most likely part of the Russian plan.
mopsi · 48s ago
Previously crashed drones were found with Polish SIM-cards in their 4G modems.
kilotaras · 2h ago
Two of the downed drones were on pretty reasonable path to fling back into Ukraine.
You could argue that, but it isn't very plausible. These are not passive devices that operate autonomously.
artem2471 · 2m ago
These are both.
Shaheds/Gerbera used to be autonomous mission-based with baked flight paths, now they sometimes have cameras and internet.
iyn · 1h ago
Again — I think it was intentional. But for the
> These are not passive devices that operate autonomously
My understanding was that these are autonomous drones? Or rather — they have their route programmed before launch but then it's not remotely controlled.
inglor_cz · 2h ago
We don't see into the Russians' heads, but it would be very advantageous for them to be able to close the Rzeszów airport (a major NATO logistics hub in eastern Poland) for hours by sending a few cheap "oh, certainly jammed" drones in its direction.
They absolutely, under no circumstances, can be allowed to gain such capability to deny NATO/Poland its own operations on its own territory at will.
A no-fly zone 100 km into Ukrainian territory is a way to prevent them from trying this again.
Finally, there is a response. In the past days several drones flew through Polish airspace on their way to Ukrane.
Putin is constantly escalating in this war. I read that the missile that hit the government building a few days ago, did not explode. There was but a luke warm response to that in the west. It won't surprise me, if another attempt will follow.
lawn · 1h ago
Poland is also calling for article 4.
rasz · 4h ago
Multiple interceptions over 40km deep, no victims, one building damaged.
I hope my gov invokes Nato Article 5. We cant be handling this BS alone.
crazybonkersai · 49m ago
If NATO wanted to confront Russia directly, they would have done it already. The truth is that NATO has no desire to go to war with Russia directly, a proxy war in Ukraine is the most NATO is prepared to do.
Triggering article 5 would do nothing and only show everyone how toothless it is. Besides article 5 does nothing else than calling members to discuss the matter and further plans.
jacquesm · 4h ago
Hang in there. I saw three airports were closed for a while, not sure if that is still the case (Rzeszow, Warsaw, Lublin). I have a lot of family and friends in the Eastern part of Poland all the way up to the border.
It looks like NATO assets were already used in the response, a dutch tanker flew to refuel the F35s that were in on this.
rasz · 4h ago
New drone crash site found in Opoczno, over 400km in straight line from Belarus border. 1/3 way to Berlin, record holder is still 2022 KH-55 that fell in Bydgoszcz and made Germany send Patriot to Poland.
jacquesm · 3h ago
I sent you mail.
belter · 45m ago
Reminder that Agent Krasnov a few days ago, was applauding Putin in US soil. This is the type of indulgent behavior that emboldens war criminals and endagers both Europe and the US.
Russians are somewhat shut off from the Internet and HN is blocked there as far as I know. And although polls say they support the war, it seems more like passive support/apathy than an active support of their government.
On the other hand, Israel does not significantly censor the Internet and the Israeli citizens largely support their government, so it makes sense they influence the rankings disproportionately compared to Russians.
This is the first time a NATO member has directly destroyed Russian (if that is the case) military hardware, since when?
edit: To answer my own question, since only 2015 when a Turkish F-16 shot down a Russian Su-24.
There need to be some reprisals for this incursion, otherwise more Shaheds will "arrive" by "bad luck", of course.
A no-fly zone over a stretch of Western Ukraine, enforced by NATO air power, would be in place. Manned Russian aircraft don't operate there, only drones and missiles.
https://x.com/Tatarigami_UA/status/1965668064865013884
> These are not passive devices that operate autonomously
My understanding was that these are autonomous drones? Or rather — they have their route programmed before launch but then it's not remotely controlled.
They absolutely, under no circumstances, can be allowed to gain such capability to deny NATO/Poland its own operations on its own territory at will.
A no-fly zone 100 km into Ukrainian territory is a way to prevent them from trying this again.
Putin is constantly escalating in this war. I read that the missile that hit the government building a few days ago, did not explode. There was but a luke warm response to that in the west. It won't surprise me, if another attempt will follow.
I hope my gov invokes Nato Article 5. We cant be handling this BS alone.
Triggering article 5 would do nothing and only show everyone how toothless it is. Besides article 5 does nothing else than calling members to discuss the matter and further plans.
It looks like NATO assets were already used in the response, a dutch tanker flew to refuel the F35s that were in on this.