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Everything from 1991 Radio Shack ad I now do with my phone (2014)
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[1] notice how CB radios can still be bought at major retailers such as this one, one of the largest in my country https://www.supercheapauto.com.au/4wd-recovery/uhf-cb-vhf-ra...
(the same can't be said of cassette recorders or answering machines or VHS camcorders)
[2] there were many attempts to make smartphone apps where you can communicate with people that are physically around you. These never picked up steam and the two examples I remember are now defunct (I can't remember the names, I will update this post if I find them)
EDIT: the apps in question were called Highlight app and Glancee app.
Highlight:
https://parislemon.com/post/18994363772/meeting-people-is-ea...
https://techcrunch.com/2012/03/08/highlight2x/
Glancee still has a website, but it no longer exists as a standalone app as they were acquired by Facebook many years ago:
https://glancee.com/
In Europe, I remember the same frequency, 27 MHz being used for early RC cars. Not sure if EU truck drivers used this too, but it is available and caused runaway RC cars as it was unreliable to use that band. 40Mhz didn't have that issue, but perhaps it was not allowed for regular/unlicensed use...
I know they used to at least. 20 years ago I worked vacations as a courier. My boss installed a 27MHz radio in my truck, because the local truckers would warn about police raids etc. on it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Radio_Service
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PMR446
As someone who has worked in the area: safety was a nightmare, in the sense of "be a woman visible on a distance-based chat".
The tech is very much alive and well.
I’m sure it’s been made obsolete, but I’m not sure it was by the iPhone.
Here is some more detail for that particular scanner:
https://www.rigpix.com/rs-realistic/realistic_pro57.htm
Sadly, my city now encrypts all police channels. Fire and EMS can still be streamed though.
I don’t want an Aliexpress phone, though.
Semi-related because Radio Shack, a store manager taught me how to leverage my "Tandy Service Plan" to get free upgrades on my scanner for life. I was not ready for him to do this. He grabbed my handheld 20 channel scanner by the antenna and smashed it on the desk. Then he handed me a 200 channel scanner because Radio Shack no longer had an equivalent model. Once the 200 channel scanner was obsolete I got a free 1000 channel scanner. Each iteration scanned both channels and stepped frequencies faster. Most scanners lock out particular frequency ranges but this can be bypassed usually by cutting one diode or moving a jumper. Radio Shack preferred the diode method. Nowadays people call this "frequency expansion" or expanded on scanners, ham radio, etc... Some HAM radios can be used as scanners once frequency expanded.
Some now prefer software defined radios to double as scanners. I like both. SDR's are great at home but too much clutter for in the vehicle for me. SDR's combined with leaked keys can monitor P25 encrypted law enforcement tactical channels.
I wonder if inflation adjusted gadgets are similar priced.
Department stores and Radio Shacks used to be full of little golf computers and VHS rewinders and electronic Scrabble dictionaries and sports trivia games around Father’s Day and Christmas. It would be unusual in most families, I think, to give someone an app for Christmas.
They’ve also changed our relationship with industrial design. There are probably fewer people designing gadgets, and consumers are less used to acquiring a new device and learning how to use it. I didn’t grow up in a particularly gadgety household, but by the time I was 12 I had learned to work a pretty wide variety of electronics with different interfaces and physical media. Nowadays even your TV is basically a smartphone with a remote.
* hardware tools / multi-tools
* bluetooth speakers
* portable projectors - outdoor big-screen movie night on the cheap
* the "sports/action" camera market - waterproof, magnetic/mountable, go-pro/insta360 etc
* pro/am mirrorless cameras are mostly too expensive to qualify but there's some really cool accesories now (handheld stabilizing gimbals, say)
* everything in the thread/zigbee/etc home automation space (sensors and buttons and automations...)
* car gadgets for enthusiast cars (things that plug into obd ports for diagnostics or real-time display of measurements), or "add android auto to your old car's built-in screen" multi-media retrofits (though in gaining things like this we've lost the ease of just things being single- or double-DIN in the first place), or dashcams
* vr headsets (feels very much like the sort of thing Radioshack of old would've been all over like the tiny handheld TVs)
* fitbits and such wearables
* portable monitors
* mechanical keyboards (as well as macro pads and such)
a lot of them qualify as "phone accesories" but I'm not sure that takes away from them
My Sony digital camera is still a lot of fun (so are my medium- format film cameras for that matter). Of course the phone is the camera I always have on me.
I have plenty of other dedicated devices but I'm kind of lazy to think about them, list them. (A digital 12-channel recorder/mixer just jumped to my mind though.)
https://aphelis.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Mondo_2000_ma...
Except the stun gun, volt meter, and the cash. Even back then, they call out the value of non-digital paper money. A phone absolutely can't replace that.
- Color TV (screen's a bit tight though)
- VCR
- Pager
- GPS (very recent and expensive in 1991)
- In-car navigation (just barely available in 1991)
- Portable cassette player
- Portable video game console (GameBoy launched in 1989)
- Modem and sound card for the Tandy
- SGI workstation for rendering 3D graphics
Some of the higher end ones (such as my phone, which is how I know this) have the AM/FM signal processor built into their SoC, but the pins aren't wired to an antena.
Newspaper
Classifieds
Phone book
Rolodex
Photo album
ATM?
Health tracker?
Translator
Dictionary
Thesaurus
Notebook
Scanner
Compass
Flashlight
Sears catalog?
Calendar
Egg timer
Stopwatch
Wrist watch
Calendar
Encyclopedia
Star map and ephemeris
TV/stereo etc remote control
Heating/AC etc remote control
Credit+debit card
Language learning cassettes
Books
Paper maps (in general, not just for car navi)
Keys and key cards
Bird, plant, insect, mushroom etc guide
Level and tape measure (kind of)
If you look back there's basically "nothing" that happened till the 90s; and if widen the horizon a bit and look back 'nothing' appears to have happened till the 20th century and so on.
We grow in ability, not wisdom (which is why 'forgetting' is so much more catastrophic).
You write 10 but isn’t it a lot closer to 20 years by now?
Funny story. I first heard of the Waze app while reading a Car & Driver magazine in my doctor's office nearly 15 years ago (possibly before 2010). There was an article on illegal cross-country car racing. One of the drivers said something like, "I use a combination of radar detector and Waze to avoid the police."
I had no idea what Waze was, and researched it as soon as I got home. It has always been crowd-sourced, and there were not many users back in those days (at least in my area), but I used it and spread the word anyway,
Anecdotally, people rarely seem to do that today for whatever reason. I expect at this point people think I'm either trying to cuss them out or complain about how bright their headlights are today, but if you see me flashing my lights there is a cop ahead looking for tickets.
It's actually ridiculous that our phones support dozens of sophisticated radio protocols but can't act as two way radios without a cell tower from the right company nearby. A $10 walkie talkie can communicate over miles but your phone is a brick without service. This capability would save more lives than Apple's satellite SOS IMO.
Amateur Radio and GMRS though are still very much things that will give good performance for those use cases. GMRS requires a “license” but no skill is required, just payment to the FCC.
Ham radio or GMRS are still great options for remote areas or at crowded venues where nobody can get cell service because everything is overloaded.
https://www.unihertz.com/products/atom-xl
Even before the iPhone I had a phone with front and rear cameras and Bluetooth, it has long since been replaced and is probably sitting at the back of a drawer somewhere. If I had the ability to make it work as a Bluetooth webcam it might have had a productive second life. It was physically capable of doing this, just not software capable
FWIW you can use an Android phone as a web cam. Not sure what the latency is though...
What is disappointing is that LTE Direct and 5G Peer to Peer didn't go anywhere. They do LTE or 5G directly without towers. The range is 1km, not walkie talkie distance, but enough for a lot of things. There are some first responders phones with but it doesn't seem to be available for public.
Yes and no. "Real" handhelds could broadcast at 5W but the Walkie Talkies that Radio Shack sold[1] were in the unlicensed band and limited to 10000 uV/m which is well within capabilities of a current cell phone power wise, as you note this would not be efficient with their antenna arrangement :-)
That said, it would be fairly trivial to use websockets to create a "PTT Walkie Talkie app" (think 2 person zoom meeting with no video)
[1] Exemplar Realistic TC-500 page 56 of this 1991 catalog: https://www.radioshackcatalogs.com/flipbook/1991_radioshack_...
In 2025 it would be $7,245.62.
On the other side of the coin, while I enjoy this memory I do think it’s a shame how lacking most people’s mental arithmetic skills are… and indeed their understanding of some basic mathematical constructs, like multiplication being commutative, but I suppose that’s not the calculators fault.
I think its a stretch to say the iphone does word processing well.
2025 me would prefer the separate devices.
https://radio.garden
But I guess with Starlink, eventually it will be everywhere.
I couldn't find FM/AM USB-C dongle. My guess is that nobody uses FM/AM or if they do, they get a standalone radio.
Now I have to remember to bring a little pocket one or be sure the old phone is charged whenever I go to sporting events. Really kind of a pain. Luckily the kids also like to play games on the old phone so its a handy distraction machine on the train ride.
* $799 for a camera
* $149 for a speaker/woofer
Over 30 years ago and yet these are roughly the prices I’d expect today
This is probably because their BOM is still highly dependent on physical enclosures, cones, and magnets, which can't be Moore's Law'd-away.
I can find some basic setups in the $300 range, but they're usually bookshelf or slim-floorstanding speakers where you're expected to add a subwoofer to fill out the bottom end, not a true full-range.
Arguably that’s also covered by Waze or any other speed trap app
But the dystopian take is that the iPhone gave away far more to the surveillance state than we ever had with scanners and radar detectors of old. I don’t think we’ll ever go back.
Fun times.
As I recall, the goal was for the detector detectors to shut off once detecting that they were being detected, to avoid a ticket in places where detectors were illegal.
And in Ontario, Canada? One single company sold to the cops and people, in a war of escalation that left their pockets quite padded. Wikipedia says BEL-Tronics, Inc. of Ontario, Canada
Then again, it needs to be a laser detector today.
> AM/FM clock radio
> In-Ear Stereo Phones
> Microthin calculator
> Mobile CB
> Deluxe Portable CD Player
Maybe I missed the rollout for the iPhone that performs all these functions, but no iPhone has ever:
• Picked up AM/FM radio (even though throwaway Nokia mobiles could do so)
• Allowed you to talk to truckers on the CB band.
• Played CDs you already own.
iPhones no longer come with earbuds (so they can sell you overpriced wireless ones), and a wayward update to the Calculator app kept it from functioning like a traditional 4-function calculator ever again. (Delete button? Really?)
Considering this article is nearly 12 years old and there have been no improvements on the above I declare this list dubious at best.
But if you actually comprehended the article, the author said that you use your phone to perform all those functions. The iPhone can replace all of those functions you listed. It is water resistant and has a speaker. It does not have an AM/FM station but most broadcast radio stations also have a live stream that you can get in your phone. The iPhone came with earbuds when this article was written. It had a calculator app on day one, and it’s just fine. You don’t have literal CB but you can use a variety of apps to communicate with voice in real time. You can’t play the literal CDs but you can’t play the literal .wav files on the CDs.
> It does not have an AM/FM station
> You don’t have literal CB
> You can’t play the literal CDs
So not the same function, got it.
As for your last example, you might as well replace "iPhone" with "tape deck".
The function wasn't "playing tape" or "playing CD", it was playing music or audio books.
Don't even get me started on the fact that only one tech giant allows you to run code on your mobile OS without their permission, and next year we're even losing that. Because the other tech giant normalized taking away the freedom.
I continue to find this assessment of phones and tablets impossible to relate to. The very-portable device with multiple cameras, microphones, various other sensors, maybe stylus support built-in, is in most cases in which I’m creating anything in my personal life vastly more useful than a laptop or desktop computer. This seems to also be what many people who create real things for work have decided. (I do computer-things with computers for pay, so it’s different for me there)
Some of those still exist in niches - music hardware, ham radio, specalised navigation hardware for boats and planes, and high-performance high-end professional cameras and such.
But consumer-grade products are now mostly software, and the software runs on a handful of platforms controlled by a handful of corporations who charge access tribute (taxes.)
The entire system is very locked-down and brittle, and gives those corporations the option to create individual and collective kill-switches for people and/or activities they don't like.
That would have sounded unlikely a couple of years ago, but it sounds a lot less unlikely now.
To a lesser extent, the good old days when swiping up brought up the control panel
These old PCs encouraged exploration, expansion, tinkering, and development. They were true personal devices that you could do whatever you wanted with. Phones are personal in that they know everything about you but they will never match the freedom and exploration of a personal computer.
I truly feel like we've lost something special with the move to smartphones and tablets. :(
Most users of that era did none of those things. They used apps or shareware they purchased, not much different from today. If anything, it was vastly harder at that time to get the tools to tinker. Compilers and assemblers were quite expensive products; users would be limited to Microsoft GW-BASIC and debug.com that came with MS-DOS or a copy of Borland Turbo Pascal if they were willing to pay extra to get it.
I'm genuinely asking everyone here: How can I do this on a smartphone or tablet? Not just "root it", or install an "alternative OS" that is really just a tweaked Android, and "also you first have to buy this particular device it works on". Preferably without having to solder SMD components.
But from all I've read, I'm expecting the answer is "you can't". Which is too bad, since I have a couple of old devices from family laying around and would like to tinker with them. I'm not connecting them to any network as long as I don't have that level of control over what they do. Wouldn't do it with a new, "secure" device either -- the problem for me is what the built-in software does when working as intended by Goo666le + Shenzhen (I don't trust Apple either, and their devices seem even less hackable).
So if you evaluate it by hardware, it's true that the phone isn't giving the same I/O capability. But the application software is there, there are far more apps for a phone and you can access the old ones in some degree too.
If you need an actually hackable PC equivalent, we have all kinds of boards and configurations, from microcontrollers to rasPi style computers through FPGA boards. Any of them are a tiny fraction of the cost of the old desktops.
I mean sort of. CBs are still a thing that the phone doesn't quite replicate.
I would make the argument that the modern version of this is LORA/Meshtastic... Im sure at some point they will jam a few more radios into the phone just to have more features.
* All weather personal stereo, $11.88. I now use my iPhone with an Otter Box
Sort of, but not exactly, yes it does all of the things my portable radio does, but not as well - mostly audio fidelity.
* AM/FM clock radio, $13.88. iPhone.
Again, sort of, but not exactly, yes it does all of the things my clock radio does, but not as well - mostly audio fidelity.
* In-Ear Stereo Phones, $7.88. Came with iPhone.
This is a place with notable improvements from then.
* Microthin calculator, $4.88. Swipe up on iPhone.
This is a place with notable improvements from then.
* Tandy 1000 TL/3, $1599. I actually owned a Tandy 1000, and I used it for games and word processing. I now do most of both of those things on my phone.
If this was an iPad I would agree, but it's the same thing as the others - sort of but not exactly. It can do those things, but not as well.
* VHS Camcorder, $799. iPhone.
Again, yes if I squint at it - but it's the same thing as the others - sort of but not exactly. It can do those things, but not always as well without additional accessories.
* Mobile Cellular Telephone, $199. Obvs.
This is a place of clear improvement, todays cell phones are a world better in both audio quality and coverage.
* Mobile CB, $49.95. Ad says “You’ll never drive ‘alone’ again!” iPhone.
Yes, iPhone can do these things, but not as well as a dedicated device (no PTT button for a start)
* 20-Memory Speed-Dial phone, $29.95.
Yes, a clear win for replacement.
* Deluxe Portable CD Player, $159.95. 80 minutes of music, or 80 hours of music? iPhone.
Yes, a clear win for replacement.
* 10-Channel Desktop Scanner, $99.55. I still have a scanner, but I have a scanner app, too. iPhone.
Not much of an improvement over a dedicated device.
* Easiest-to-Use Phone Answerer, $49.95. iPhone voicemail.
Voicemail (which you could get in 1991), is a clear winner over an answering machine.
* Handheld Cassette Tape Recorder, $29.95. I use the Voice Memo app almost daily.
Also a clear improvement.
* BONUS REPLACEMENT: It’s not an item for sale, but at the bottom of the ad, you’re instructed to ‘check your phone book for the Radio Shack Store nearest you.’ Do you even know how to use a phone book?
The internet replaced the phonebook before ubiquitous mobile data, I do miss phonebooks however.
I've been an avid FM radio listener most of my adult life (NPR mostly), while I can really no longer stand most of NPR programming, when I wanted to do whole house music, I did so with an small sound mixer fed into FM Modulator which in turn fed into coax and an small antenna.
> Yes, a clear win for replacement.
Not that clear unless augmented with wireless earbuds: I would much rather spend an hour talking on a traditionally-shaped phone handset (not quite the one in the picture) than on a mobile phone (even a pre-iPhone candybar one, though holding a glass slab to your cheek for prolonged periods of time is particularly unpleasant). Of course, hour-long personal telephone calls are not really a thing anymore for most people, but I don’t know in which direction the causation points there.
1 hour phone calls for me are about as common as they always have been
However, I don't own an iPhone, I have a Xiaomi with an audio socket.
I'd argue this is important to add since iPhones no longer ship with earbuds (or so I'm told; I'm an Android guy myself).
I do miss the power bricks though.
As an aside, you’d almost always want more than 5w to charge modern handsets in any reasonable time.
Personally I'm OK with Apple dropping the extras. They were nice but now I have a box of old Apple chargers and stuff that I don't need, and I think that is what they were trying to limit.
How do you figure that it's 3 times more? The article says those things add up to $5100 updated for inflation (written in 2014, so more today). A smart phone then was a lot less than $5100.
For a budget device, we pay, what, 2%? Not 2% less, just 2%.