The kicker is that the humanitarian situation in Gaza can't be justified by military strategy. It's either cruelty for its own sake -- wanton maliciousness -- or cruelty born of apathy.
bell-cot · 9h ago
> ...can't be justified by military strategy.
If you look at the current government of Israel's policies regarding Palestinians - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty-seventh_government_of_I... - you might notice that various humanitarian rights and other niceties for the latter do not seem to be high priorities.
One might reasonably assume that recent developments in Gaza are part of a political strategy. Not a military one. And that the politicians in charge do not share the worldview, nor sensibilities, of the typical Guardian reader.
HeavyStorm · 8h ago
> typical Guardian reader
Human, you mean?
miohtama · 8h ago
Also if anyone was planning to perform a genocide they'd likely lie about it, instead of admitting guilty
spwa4 · 8h ago
The day that a terrorist organization can "call upon" the UN to complain about war crimes, and have them respond, and report it in the press, with the incredible hypocrisy, while continuing to hold hostages, not wear uniforms, attempt to fire on civilians, use human shields, ... is the day I stop listening to any "declarations".
People complain Trump deporting people to CECOT with a straight face is hypocritical and bad. And it is! But let's be straight here: Trump's got nothing on the bunch of genocidal hypocritical war criminals that call themselves "Palestinians" in the UN. Or on the general assembly.
Oh and I've checked Israel's accusations of the UN's IPC department. They're are correct, factually. IPC did indeed change their rules to make this determination against Israel. Under normal circumstances there is no famine according to the IPC unless people die. People are not dying of hunger, according to the IPC's own figures, which is a requirement in every determination ... except this one. In Sudan, by contrast, people ARE dying of hunger (which is ironic because Hamas is part of the muslim brotherhood, who are the side of the Sudan conflict that is CAUSING the very real famine in Sudan (you know, real with people dying en-masse because food is being blocked). For racist reasons, one might add: "arabs" vs black muslims. The black muslims are the ones dying)
I've also checked the second Israeli accusation. That this is effectively a Hamas propaganda claim. The IPC makes a point of denying this 5 times in their press release, stating non-Hamas information sources. Here [1] is their actual report. Page 22 lists their sources of information. In short: they are lying. Where their data comes from: all data comes from Hamas, or through Hamas. This report is very much Hamas propaganda.
Yet another part of the cold war that seems to have returned. I remember, in the 80s, people just couldn't grasp that there were no reporters in the Soviet Union, and that frankly the best information about the Soviet Union came from the CIA. Not a single real reporter in the Soviet Union. That is authoritarianism, and the same is of course true about Gaza. Pravda articles were government propaganda. "Interviews" with anyone were Soviet propaganda. This was the case with famines, with oil pollution, and famously with Chernobyl (where for 2 weeks they piled on interviews with experts, real experts, who were lying, who said nothing had happened and repeated the Kremlin line, that a nuclear accident was not possible in the Soviet Union and this was just not happening)
And EVERY SINGLE TIME so many people fell for it. Swedish scientists famously announced on TV that a large scale radiation leak had occurred in the Soviet Union, first, the scientists refrained from outright saying the Kremlin was lying and people started viciously attacking them (including protests), describing anyone reporting this as evil itself. Oh and the UN was pretty much always on the Soviet side, including even now: the UN still touts Soviet "facts" about Chernobyl as true (such as the "only 50 dead directly linked to the accident" idiocy).
IPC data sources, according to their report [1] (pg. 22)
• Telephone interview survey data from two data
providers.
No details. Though of course Hamas monitors all phone calls in Gaza.
• Ministry of Health (MoH) mortality reports – violent
deaths, usually reported daily and available at https://
data.techforpalestine.org/.
This, of course, is Hamas.
• Ministry of Health reports – deaths due to
malnutrition, usually reported daily from July 2025
onwards https://t.me/s/MOHMediaGaza.
This is Hamas.
• WHO data on inpatient feeding centre mortality
WHO collects it's data "from government sources", in other words, despite the WHO stamp, this is Hamas data.
https://theonion.com/every-word-besides-children-used-to-des...
On media bias on this hotly debated topic:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_coverage_of_the_Israel...
If you look at the current government of Israel's policies regarding Palestinians - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty-seventh_government_of_I... - you might notice that various humanitarian rights and other niceties for the latter do not seem to be high priorities.
One might reasonably assume that recent developments in Gaza are part of a political strategy. Not a military one. And that the politicians in charge do not share the worldview, nor sensibilities, of the typical Guardian reader.
Human, you mean?
People complain Trump deporting people to CECOT with a straight face is hypocritical and bad. And it is! But let's be straight here: Trump's got nothing on the bunch of genocidal hypocritical war criminals that call themselves "Palestinians" in the UN. Or on the general assembly.
Oh and I've checked Israel's accusations of the UN's IPC department. They're are correct, factually. IPC did indeed change their rules to make this determination against Israel. Under normal circumstances there is no famine according to the IPC unless people die. People are not dying of hunger, according to the IPC's own figures, which is a requirement in every determination ... except this one. In Sudan, by contrast, people ARE dying of hunger (which is ironic because Hamas is part of the muslim brotherhood, who are the side of the Sudan conflict that is CAUSING the very real famine in Sudan (you know, real with people dying en-masse because food is being blocked). For racist reasons, one might add: "arabs" vs black muslims. The black muslims are the ones dying)
I've also checked the second Israeli accusation. That this is effectively a Hamas propaganda claim. The IPC makes a point of denying this 5 times in their press release, stating non-Hamas information sources. Here [1] is their actual report. Page 22 lists their sources of information. In short: they are lying. Where their data comes from: all data comes from Hamas, or through Hamas. This report is very much Hamas propaganda.
Yet another part of the cold war that seems to have returned. I remember, in the 80s, people just couldn't grasp that there were no reporters in the Soviet Union, and that frankly the best information about the Soviet Union came from the CIA. Not a single real reporter in the Soviet Union. That is authoritarianism, and the same is of course true about Gaza. Pravda articles were government propaganda. "Interviews" with anyone were Soviet propaganda. This was the case with famines, with oil pollution, and famously with Chernobyl (where for 2 weeks they piled on interviews with experts, real experts, who were lying, who said nothing had happened and repeated the Kremlin line, that a nuclear accident was not possible in the Soviet Union and this was just not happening)
And EVERY SINGLE TIME so many people fell for it. Swedish scientists famously announced on TV that a large scale radiation leak had occurred in the Soviet Union, first, the scientists refrained from outright saying the Kremlin was lying and people started viciously attacking them (including protests), describing anyone reporting this as evil itself. Oh and the UN was pretty much always on the Soviet side, including even now: the UN still touts Soviet "facts" about Chernobyl as true (such as the "only 50 dead directly linked to the accident" idiocy).
IPC data sources, according to their report [1] (pg. 22)
• Telephone interview survey data from two data providers.
No details. Though of course Hamas monitors all phone calls in Gaza.
• Ministry of Health (MoH) mortality reports – violent deaths, usually reported daily and available at https:// data.techforpalestine.org/.
This, of course, is Hamas.
• Ministry of Health reports – deaths due to malnutrition, usually reported daily from July 2025 onwards https://t.me/s/MOHMediaGaza.
This is Hamas.
• WHO data on inpatient feeding centre mortality
WHO collects it's data "from government sources", in other words, despite the WHO stamp, this is Hamas data.
• MSF staff survey https://www.doctorswithoutborders. ca/palestine-msf-survey-of-staff-and-their-families- in-gaza-shows-almost-half-of-people-killed-in-the- war-are-children/.
These people report to Hamas.
• Household surveys and capture/recapture studies
No details on what this is exactly.
[1] https://www.ipcinfo.org/fileadmin/user_upload/ipcinfo/docs/I...