> In other words, everything happens on-device so Apple has no idea about the contents of your call.
Of course. And we have to trust that it is true and won't change depending on country and/or target.
msgodel · 9h ago
Don't know why this is downvoted. It's pretty difficult to even get a hold of the binary artifacts, much less the source, to verify.
For all you know they could very well be sending back embeddings or have it trigger recording.
deadfoxygrandpa · 9h ago
just dont grant internet access to face time and then you can be sure they arent uploading any recordings to their own servers
msgodel · 8h ago
lol It's been a while but I was under the impression Face Time was a VOIP app. That's a little useless without internet.
crossroadsguy · 3h ago
Naah. It works. You must be holding it wrong. Apple things have a special way to function. Sometimes you might feel something is broken but actually it’s you doing it wrong because that’s how it’s supposed to be.
EnPissant · 5h ago
Apple can just send the video somewhere without this feature existing.
shaky-carrousel · 4h ago
But now we know they have the technology to easily extract the most interesting parts, and have to trust they won't use it for their advantage.
F7F7F7 · 13h ago
Jefferey Toobin would have loved this feature during COVID.
HaZeust · 10h ago
That's like a third of the value proposition for FaceTiming with an S/O.
crossroadsguy · 3h ago
As part of Apple One subscription you can select upto three contacts in the nudity exception list.
nozzlegear · 8h ago
What about FaceTiming with grandma?
cbluth · 6h ago
I'm sure grandma knows how to undress, otherwise she wouldn't be a grandma?
mathiaspoint · 13h ago
That's so creepy. The machine shouldn't care.
m463 · 9h ago
I feel this is a situation where half the world is unaware of a specific problem.
And the other half probably doesn't tell them.
bigyabai · 8h ago
Is the problem in question consent over how my phone works?
We're fast approaching the "yes it's bad for privacy but think of the kids" threshold between this and client-side scanning. Both can be used as instruments of blackmail from a sufficiently motivated threat actor.
TexanFeller · 12h ago
At most I could accept if this were a feature for children’s accounts that parents could choose to enable. I’m not sure I’m Ok with even that though because slippery slopes quite often start with “ think of the children”.
Audio/Video/Chat services should probably be demanded(maybe even required by law) to be dumb pipes that never filter ANYTHING.
vr46 · 9h ago
No one cares about the children/elderly/disabled/etc until they want to argue over something
wrboyce · 1h ago
It says in the article that this is exactly what it is.
randombits0 · 11h ago
There goes my part time job.
bigyabai · 13h ago
You know, I'd really rather not have an AI model trained on detecting people stripping naked on any of my webcam-enabled devices.
NewJazz · 11h ago
Yeah makes you wonder how they are training these kinds of models... And who is doing that work.
Like the social media moderators who get exposed to mountains of horrifying content.
mikece · 13h ago
So... use Signal or Telegram?
bigyabai · 13h ago
Will that delete the model? Can my consent be used to stop this functionality from being downloaded, besides buying a new phone?
bigyarnn · 13h ago
Can we have a European version, that freezes if someone shows violence? Nobody cares about nudity.
1over137 · 11h ago
This was my first thought too. US culture is weirdly prudish about nudity. I guess it comes from their flavour of Christianity? That’s fine of course, but they foist this on the whole world. ;(
mensetmanusman · 11h ago
Fundamentalism from a backlash to English Anglicism historically.
krapp · 11h ago
Which is weird when you consider an entire book of the Bible is a poem extolling the qualities and virtues of King Solomon's... er... "royal staff."
Or if it detects a Trump image / video, anywhere on screen
- i'd love if a Trump image or video was replaced by a talking hamburger that simply said "Rabble rabble rabble"
defrost · 9h ago
So, .. no application for it in the remote consult medical domain then.
lofaszvanitt · 13h ago
Maybe it's time to start a movement, that educates people to ditch the control/oppressive device from their back pockets and be satisfied with a more modest but open system in every respect. All the top tier phones look and feel the same. Everything is locked down, you can't customize anything, everything needs a payment. Ridiculous.
Of course. And we have to trust that it is true and won't change depending on country and/or target.
For all you know they could very well be sending back embeddings or have it trigger recording.
And the other half probably doesn't tell them.
We're fast approaching the "yes it's bad for privacy but think of the kids" threshold between this and client-side scanning. Both can be used as instruments of blackmail from a sufficiently motivated threat actor.
Audio/Video/Chat services should probably be demanded(maybe even required by law) to be dumb pipes that never filter ANYTHING.
Like the social media moderators who get exposed to mountains of horrifying content.
https://metro.co.uk/2025/03/10/this-european-beach-enforcing...
Aha
- i'd love if a Trump image or video was replaced by a talking hamburger that simply said "Rabble rabble rabble"