Most utopia cities were founded by religious groups. Freedom Cities will likely be more of the same.
jqpabc123 · 5h ago
Most utopia cities were founded by religious groups. Freedom Cities will likely be more of the same.
Cities founded and controlled by corporations will likely subscribe to the same religion as the rest of corporate America --- money and greed. Anything else will be purely to entertain and pacify the conscripts.
_benton · 9h ago
I sorta want to see them happen as an experiment.
antfarm · 7h ago
You would like to watch yet another step towards the dismantling of representative democracy in the United States as an experiment? There is enough happening right now that demands your attention.
_benton · 7h ago
What an incredibly bad faith response to someone simply expressing their desire to see an idea experimentally validated. That's really the only way we can know if a political system is viable.
Eg. both communism and socialism seemed plausible until multiple independent experiments proved otherwise. It would be interesting to see how a modern day laissez faire city-state would fair.
jqpabc123 · 6h ago
What an incredibly bad faith response to something that has already been tried with less than glowing success.
You're right --- what the article describes and what proponents have in mind is actually more extreme and far worse.
But just like in "company towns", corporate overlords are the only real authority as they proclaim their independence yet still mooch services from the surrounding area as needed.
The take away discovery from similar experiments in the past has typically been --- there is no free lunch. Isolated authoritarianism (masquerading as libertarianism or mislabeled as "freedom") is just as far from a utopia as any other system --- and maybe even more so.
Slowly but surely, even the cowboys on a cattle ranch come to realize that the ranch isn't being run for their benefit. And being branded a "company man" doesn't really impart "freedom" but instead takes it away.
What the article describes is pretty sensationalized and full of bias.
Obviously there is plenty of room for it to go wrong but I don't think it's automatically the case that somehow paradoxically, giving the government less control over a region will make that region more authoritarian. I would expect the null hypothesis to be the opposite.
jqpabc123 · 54m ago
Look at Starbase, TX for an example of how this would likely work out.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_utopian_commu...
Most utopia cities were founded by religious groups. Freedom Cities will likely be more of the same.
Cities founded and controlled by corporations will likely subscribe to the same religion as the rest of corporate America --- money and greed. Anything else will be purely to entertain and pacify the conscripts.
Eg. both communism and socialism seemed plausible until multiple independent experiments proved otherwise. It would be interesting to see how a modern day laissez faire city-state would fair.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Company_town
But just like in "company towns", corporate overlords are the only real authority as they proclaim their independence yet still mooch services from the surrounding area as needed.
The take away discovery from similar experiments in the past has typically been --- there is no free lunch. Isolated authoritarianism (masquerading as libertarianism or mislabeled as "freedom") is just as far from a utopia as any other system --- and maybe even more so.
Slowly but surely, even the cowboys on a cattle ranch come to realize that the ranch isn't being run for their benefit. And being branded a "company man" doesn't really impart "freedom" but instead takes it away.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pr%C3%B3spera
Obviously there is plenty of room for it to go wrong but I don't think it's automatically the case that somehow paradoxically, giving the government less control over a region will make that region more authoritarian. I would expect the null hypothesis to be the opposite.