Lula: Brazilian Democracy and Sovereignty Are Non-Negotiable

16 marcodiego 11 9/15/2025, 1:29:59 AM nytimes.com ↗

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slater · 5h ago
0xy · 4h ago
The Brazilian Supreme Court brought its own case and decided upon on it in a way that banana republics could only dream of doing.
ZeroGravitas · 1h ago
Banana Republic is an interesting term to use:

> In the early 20th century, the United Fruit Company, a multinational corporation, was instrumental in the creation of the banana republic phenomenon.[6][7] Together with other American corporations, such as the Cuyamel Fruit Company, and leveraging the power of the U.S. government, the corporations created the political, economic, and social circumstances that led to a coup of the locally elected democratic government that established banana republics in Central American countries such as Honduras and Guatemala;[8] No official apology has ever been done by any banana company or the U.S. with only the C.I.A. backed dictator of Guatemala apologizing in 2011.[9]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_republic

clydethefrog · 1h ago
Could you explain why?

I have been following the evidence that was shared in the trial the last years. The summary is clear [0] - there is plenty of evidence Bolsanaro and several higher military members tried to stage a coup.

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Brazilian_coup_plot

matheusmoreira · 44m ago
"Tried" is too strong a word.

A military coup is when the military deploys its forces and deposes the government. A military coup attempt consists of the military's forces being defeated while trying to seize power.

I'm sure they planned a military coup. I don't think they actually tried it. An attempt actually has a chance of succeeding. Bolsonaro was in the USA while his fans were protesting in Brasília. When the military finally showed up, it was to arrest them.

matheusmoreira · 54m ago
This is just the new normal.

They have been doing it since at least 2019 when they started the "fake news" inquisition where they were victims, investigators, prosecutors, judges and executioners in a case involving wildcard crimes against themselves covering the entire brazilian territory. A literal kangaroo court.

That's not enough, they went even further. They perpetrated a silent coup. These unelected judge-kings have usurped so much power they have essentially taken over the legislative and executive branches of government. They openly legislate despite not a single brazilian having voted for them. They are so brazen as to raise taxes. Politicians can impeach them but they don't dare to do it because they are the ones who judge politicians for corruption.

sonicggg · 3h ago
Kangaroo court
0xy · 4h ago
The institution itself is known to be corrupt, unwinding major corruption convictions and notably freeing the corrupt president.

https://www.ft.com/content/c0d84b0f-1f0b-40d0-8ebe-8bf6c60b4...

matheusmoreira · 17m ago
The brazilian supreme court is such a kangaroo court, they were brazen enough to set up a "fake news" inquisition where they were victims, investigators, prosecutors, judges and executioners in a case of wildcard crimes against themselves covering the whole brazilian territory.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39966382

That is the state we find ourselves in. As far as I know, that "fake news" inquisition is still ongoing.

slwvx · 5h ago
Nice!
matheusmoreira · 27m ago
He speaks of democracy but rules through the unelected supreme court. Every time his party is defeated democratically, they bring it to the supreme court and they force it through. Our representatives blocked his attempt to raise taxes and the supreme court raised them on his behalf. The only reason they don't dissolve these expensive institutions is they let him pretend that this country is a democracy.

He speaks of sovereignty despite being a pro-crime socialist and globalist. It was under his party's 20+ year rule that drug trafficking organized crime gangs came to dominate over a quarter of our territory, create a parallel state, pull off a stealth secession and infiltrate society and even the official government at every level. He makes a show of not submitting to the USA and then turns around and kowtows to China. He openly disdains the military, nationalism and the very concept of arming and defending oneself, then he turns around and starts speaking of sovereignty as if he had nuclear weapons to deter adversaries with.

The sheer dishonesty, the sheer number of contradictions in this delusional communist's politics is enough to test my sanity. I feel like I'm being gaslit.