The Four Fallacies of Modern AI

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alwinaugustin · 6m ago
For all its advanced capabilities, the LLM remains a glorified natural language interface. It is exceptionally good at conversational communication and synthesizing existing knowledge, making information more accessible and in some cases, easier to interact with. However, many of the more ambitious applications, such as so-called "agents," are not a sign of nascent intelligence. They are simply sophisticated workflows—complex combinations of Python scripts and chained API calls that leverage the LLM as a sub-routine. These systems are clever, but they are not a leap towards true artificial agency. We must be cautious not to confuse a powerful statistical tool with the dawn of genuine machine consciousness.
entropyneur · 1h ago
This article seems to fall straight into the trap it aims to warn us about. All this talk about "true" understanding, embodiment, etc. is needless antropomorphizing.

A much better framework for thinking about intelligence is simply as the ability to make predictions about the world (including conditional ones like "what will happen if we take this action"). Whether it's achieved through "true understanding" (however you define it; I personally doubt you can) or "mimicking" bears no relevance for most of the questions about the impact of AI we are trying to answer.

keiferski · 1h ago
It matters if your civilizational system is built on assigning rights or responsibilities to things because they have consciousness or "interiority." Intelligence fits here just as well.

Currently many of our legal systems are set up this way, if in a fairly arbitrary fashion. Consider for example how sentience is used as a metric for whether an animal ought to receive additional rights. Or how murder (which requires deliberate, conscious thought) is punished more harshly than manslaughter (which can be accidental or careless.)

If we just treat intelligence as a descriptive quality and apply it to LLMs, we quickly realize the absurdity of saying a chatbot is somehow equivalent, consciously, to a human being. At least, to me it seems absurd. And it indicates the flaws of grafting human consciousness onto machines without analyzing why.

AIPedant · 1h ago
"Making predictions about the world" is a reductive and childish way to describe intelligence in humans. Did David Lynch make Mulholland Drive because he predicted it would be a good movie?

The most depressing thing about AI summers is watching tech people cynically try to define intelligence downwards to excuse failures in current AI.

entropyneur · 38m ago
> Did David Lynch make Mulholland Drive because he predicted it would be a good movie?

He made it because he predicted that it will have some effects enjoyable to him. Without knowing David Lynch personally I can assume that he made it because he predicted other people will like it. Although of course, it might have been some other goal. But unless he was completely unlike anyone I've ever met, it's safe to assume that before he started he had a picture of a world with Mullholland Drive existing in it that is somehow better than the current world without. He might or might not have been aware of it though.

Anyway, that's too much analysis of Mr. Lynch. The implicit question is how soon an AI will be able to make a movie that you, AIPedant, will enjoy as much as you've enjoyed Mulholland Drive. And I stand that how similar AI is to human intelligence or how much "true understanding" it has is completely irrelevant to answering that question.

MrScruff · 48m ago
It may be reductive but that doesn't make it incorrect. I would certainly agree that creating and appreciating art are highly emergent phenomena in humans (as is for example humour) but that doesn't mean I don't think they're rooted in fitness functions and our evolved brains desire for approval from our tribal peer group.

Reductive arguments may not give us an immediate forward path to reproducing these emergent phenomena in artificial brains, but it's also the case that emergent phenomena are by definition impossible to predict - I don't think anyone predicted the current behaviours of LLMs for example.

simianwords · 59m ago
"David Lynch made Mullholland Drive because he was intelligent" is also absurd.
peterashford · 36m ago
But "An intelligent creature made Mullholland Drive" is not
pu_pe · 45m ago
How would you define intelligence? Surely not by the ability to make a critically acclaimed movie, right?
koonsolo · 51m ago
I look at it the complete opposite way: humans are defining intelligence upwards to make sure they can perceive themselves better than a computer.

It's clear that humans consider humans as intelligent. Is a monkey intelligent? A dolphin? A crow? An ant?

So I ask you, what is the lowest form of intelligence to you?

(I'm also a huge David Lynch fan by the way :D)

peterashford · 35m ago
Im not sure what that gets you. I think most people would suggest that it appears to be a sliding scale. Humans, dolphins / crows, ants, etc. What does that get us?
koonsolo · 28m ago
Well, is an LLM more intelligent than an ant?
cantor_S_drug · 1h ago
Imagine LLM is conscious (as Anthropic wants us to believe). Imagine LLM is made to train on so much data which is far beyond what its parameter count allows for. Am I hurting the LLM by causing it intensive cognitive strain?
entropyneur · 25m ago
I agree that whether AI is conscious is an important question. In fact, I think it's the most important question above our own existential crisis. Unfortunately, it's also completely hopeless at our current level of knowledge.
adastra22 · 1h ago
Why would that hurt?
wagwang · 1h ago
Predict and create, that's all that matters.
simianwords · 52m ago
> But that still leaves a crucial question: can we develop a more precise, less anthropomorphic vocabulary to describe AI capabilities? Or is our human-centric language the only tool we have to reason about these new forms of intelligence, with all the baggage that entails?

I don't get the problem with this really. I think LLM's "reasoning" is a very fair and proper way to call it. It takes time and spits out tokens that it recursively uses to get a much better output than it otherwise would have. Is it actually really reasoning using a brain like a human would? No. But it is close enough so I don't see the problem calling it "reasoning". What's the fuss about?

keiferski · 41m ago
Are swimming and sailing the same, because they both have the result of moving through the water?

I'd say, no, they aren't, and there is value in understanding the different processes (and labeling them as such), even if they have outputs that look similar/identical.

iLoveOncall · 30m ago
It has absolutely nothing to do with reasoning, and I don't understand how anyone could think it's"close enough".

Reasoning models are simply answering the same question twice with a different system prompt. It's a normal LLM with an extra technical step. Nothing else.

theturtlemoves · 2h ago
I've always had the feeling that AI researchers want to build their own human without having to change diapers being part of the process. Just skip to adulthood please, and learn to drive a car without having experience in bumping into things and hurting yourself.

> Language doesn't just describe reality; it creates it.

I wonder if this is a statement from the discussed paper or from the blog author. Haven't found the original paper yet, but this blog post very much makes me want to read it.

sharikous · 18m ago
> I've always had the feeling that AI researchers want to build their own human without having to change diapers being part of the process. Just skip to adulthood please, and learn to drive a car without having experience in bumping into things and hurting yourself.

I partially agree, but the idea about AI is that you need to bump into things and hurt yourself only once. Then you have a good driver you can replicate at will

ta20240528 · 1h ago
> Language doesn't just describe reality; it creates it.

I never under stand these kinds of statements.

Does the sun not exist until we have a word for it, did "under the rock" not exist for dinosaurs?

keiferski · 1h ago
I think create is the wrong word choice here. Shaping reality is a better one, as it doesn't hold the implication that before language, nothing existed.

Think of it this way, though: the divisions that humans make between objects in the world is largely a linguistic one. For example, we say that the Earth is such-and-such an ecosystem with certain species occupying it. But this is more like a convenient shorthand, not a totally accurate description of reality. A more accurate description would be something like, ever-changing organisms undergo this complex process that we call evolution, and are all continually changing, so much so that the species concept is not really that clear, once you dig into it.

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/species/

Where it really gets interesting, IMO, is when these divisions (which originally were mostly just linguistic categories) start shaping what's actually in the world. The concept of property is a good example. Originally it's just a legal term, but over time, it ends up reshaping the actual face of the earth, ecosystems, wars, migrations, on and on.

cpa · 1h ago
The sun can mean different things to different people. We usually think of it as the physical star, but for some ancient civilizations it may have been seen as a person or a god. Living with these different representations can, in a very real way, shape the reality around you. If you did not have a word for freedom, would as many desire it?
sanxiyn · 1h ago
I am not sure how your sun example relates. Language is not whole of reality, but it is clearly part of reality. Memory engram of Coca-Cola is encoded in billions of human brains all over the world, and they are arrangement of atoms.
rolisz · 1h ago
There are some folks (like Donald Hoffman) that believe that consciousness is what creates reality. He believes consciousness is the base layer of reality and then we make up physical reality.
degamad · 1h ago
I think this might be the paper being referenced:

Melanie Mitchell (2021) "Why AI is Harder Than We Think." https://arxiv.org/abs/2104.12871

That sentence is not from this paper.

namro · 1h ago
*skip to slavery
myflash13 · 47m ago
I would add a fifth fallacy: assuming what we humans do can be reduced to “intelligence”. We are actually very irrational. Humans are driven strongly by Will, Desire, Love, Faith, and many other irrational traits. Has an LLM ever demonstrated irrational love? Or sexual desire? How can it possibly do what humans do without these?
peterashford · 32m ago
Yeah I think that's an important dimension. David Hume said that there was no action without passion and I think that's a key difference with AIs. They sit there passive until we interact with them. They dont want anything, they dont have goals, desires, motivations. The emotional part of the human psyche does a lot of work - we aren't just calculating sums
adastra22 · 1h ago
> Does a model that can see and act begin to bridge the gap toward common sense

Question for the author: how are SOTA LLM models not common sense machines?

visarga · 1h ago
I think the Stochastic Parrots idea is pretty outdated and incorrect. LLMs are not parrots, we don't even need them to parrot, we already have perfect copying machines. LLMs are working on new things, that is their purpose, reproducing the same thing we already have is not worth it.

The core misconception here is that LLMs are autonomous agents parroting away. No, they are connected to humans, tools, reference data, and validation systems. They are in a dialogue, and in a dialogue you quickly get into a place where nobody has ever been before. Take any 10 consecutive words from a human or LLM and chances are nobody on the internet stringed those words the same way before.

LLMs are more like pianos than parrots, or better yet, like another musician jamming together with you, creating something together that none would do individually. We play our prompts on the keyboard and they play their "music" back to us. Good or bad - depends on the player at the keyboard, they retain most control. To say LLMs are Stochastic Parrots is to discount the contribution of the human using it.

Related to intelligence, I think we have a misconception that it comes from the brain. No, it comes from the feedback loop between brain and environment. The environment plays a huge role in exploration, learning, testing ideas, and discovery. The social aspect also plays a big role, parallelizing exploration and streamlining exploitation of discoveries. We are not individually intelligent, it is a social, environment based process, not a pure-brain process.

Searching for intelligence in the brain is like searching for art in the paint pigments and canvas cloth.

ttoinou · 59m ago
The fact that it can copy smartly exactly ONE of the information in a given prompt (which is a complex sentence only humans could process before) and not others is absolutely a progress in computer science, and very useful. I’m still amazed by that everyday, I never thought I’d see an algorithm like that in my lifetime. (Calling it parroting is of course pejorative)
shubhamjain · 1h ago
> The primary counterargument can be framed in terms of Rich Sutton's famous essay, "The Bitter Lesson," which argues that the entire history of AI has taught us that attempts to build in human-like cognitive structures (like embodiment) are always eventually outperformed by general methods that just leverage massive-scale computation

This reminds me Douglas Hofstadter, of the Gödel, Escher, Bach fame. He rejected all of this statistical approaches towards creating intelligence and dug deep into the workings of human mind [1]. Often, in the most eccentric ways possible.

> ... he has bookshelves full of these notebooks. He pulls one down—it’s from the late 1950s. It’s full of speech errors. Ever since he was a teenager, he has captured some 10,000 examples of swapped syllables (“hypodeemic nerdle”), malapropisms (“runs the gambit”), “malaphors” (“easy-go-lucky”), and so on, about half of them committed by Hofstadter himself.

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> For Hofstadter, they’re clues. “Nobody is a very reliable guide concerning activities in their mind that are, by definition, subconscious,” he once wrote. “This is what makes vast collections of errors so important. In an isolated error, the mechanisms involved yield only slight traces of themselves; however, in a large collection, vast numbers of such slight traces exist, collectively adding up to strong evidence for (and against) particular mechanisms.”

I don't know when, where, and how the next leap in AGI will come through, but it's just very likely, it will be through brute-force computation (unfortunately). So much for fifty years of observing Freudian slips.

[1]: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/11/the-man...

CuriouslyC · 1h ago
Brute force will always be part of the story, but it's not the solution. It just allows us to take an already working solution and make it better.
jokoon · 2h ago
Finally an insightful article about ai
degamad · 1h ago
It was, but it punted in the conclusion...

> Mitchell in her paper compares modern AI to alchemy. It produces dazzling, impressive results but it often lacks a deep, foundational theory of intelligence.

> It’s a powerful metaphor, but I think a more pragmatic conclusion is slightly different. The challenge isn't to abandon our powerful alchemy in search of a pure science of intelligence.

But alchemy was wrong and chasing after the illusions created by the frauds who promoted alchemy held back the advancement of science for a long time.

We absolutely should have abandoned alchemy as soon as we saw that it didn't work, and moved to figuring out the science of what worked.

dumpsterdiver · 43m ago
You know what they say though about folks who don’t know any better:

https://home.cern/news/news/physics/alice-detects-conversion...

ggm · 1h ago
It's statistics, linear programming, and shamanism.
retrocog · 1h ago
Is embodiment a requirement to hold identity and is identity a pre-requisite for intelligence?
tonyhart7 · 27m ago
and this is misconception of this "AI"

they don't need to reach equal human intelligence, the just need to reach an acceptable of intelligence so corporation can reduce labor cost

sure it bad at certain things but you know what ??? most of real world job didn't need a genius either

chromanoid · 1h ago
Great article!
warkdarrior · 3h ago
> a fully self-driving car remains stubbornly just over the horizon

Someone should let Waymo, Zoox, Pony.ai, Apollo Go, and even Tesla know!

joshribakoff · 1h ago
I let them know today — when i laid on my horn while passing a Waymo stopped at a green light blocking the left turn lane — with its right blinker on.

Re: Tesla, this company paid me nearly $250,000 under multiple lemon law claims for their “self driving” software issues i identified that affected safety.

We all know what happened with Cruise, which was after i declared myself constructively dismissed.

I think the characterization in the article is fair, “self driving” is not quite there yet.

Cthulhu_ · 1h ago
I need to ask because I'm curious, are you using em-dashes ironically, habitually from the Before Times, or did you run your comment through chatgpt first? Or have I been brainwashed into emdash == AI always?
lovecg · 1h ago
They’re putting spaces around the em-dashes which is—believe it or not—incorrect usage. ChatGPT doesn’t put in spaces. (I’m annoyed by this since I learned about em-dashes long before AI and occasionally use them in writing, which now gets me an occasional AI accusation)
belZaah · 3h ago
They know. There’s a big difference being able to navigate the 80% of everyday driving situations and doing the 20% most people manage just fine but cars struggle with. There’s a road in these parts: narrow, twisty in three dimensions, unmarked, trees close to the road. Gets jolly slippery in the winter. I can drive that road in the middle of the night in sleet. Can an autonomous car?
enos_feedler · 2h ago
i think it can figure it out.
forgetfreeman · 1h ago
Yes but why should it?
samtp · 1h ago
Way to argue a sentence out of context that has very little to do with the overall post.
kristjansson · 2h ago
Part of the points of fallacies one and four is that a human can get out of the car and walk into work as a CPA or whatever, while even the autonomous-ish offerings of Waymo et al don’t necessarily advance the ball on other domains
kortilla · 1h ago
Waymo doesn’t drive on highways and needs huge break in periods to even expand its boundaries in cities it’s already operating in.
another_twist · 3h ago
Someone should let the rest of this pack know. Waymo is in a different league.

I honestly didnt understand the arguments. Could someone TLDR please ?

renewiltord · 2h ago
Everyone always something won’t work until it does. That’s not that interesting.