Interesting article. I’ve been curious for a while about how residential proxy IPs are collected too. Many come from shady browser extensions or mobile apps, especially free VPNs (wink wink Hola VPN). People often don’t realize they are turning their device into an exit node.
Some time ago I started to track this as a side project (I work in bot detection and was always surprised by how many residential proxies show up in attacks). It started just out of curiosity. Now I collect proxy IPs, which provider they belong to, and how often they are seen. I also publish stats here:
https://deviceandbrowserinfo.com/proxy-api/stats/proxy-db-30...
For example, in the last 30 days I saw more than 120K IPs from Comcast and nearly 100K from AT&T.
I also maintain an open IP (ranges) blocklist, mostly effective against data center and ISP proxies. Residential IPs are harder since they are often shared with legit users:
https://github.com/antoinevastel/avastel-bot-ips-lists
Even if you can’t block all of them, tracking volume and reuse gives useful signal.
chatmasta · 1h ago
Hola/Luminati rebranded as “Bright Data” and now pays mobile developers to embed their proxy SDK into mobile apps. Apple and Google should put a stop to this practice.
garbthetill · 1h ago
they have been paying devs for a good bit now
garbthetill · 1h ago
hola vpn is such an interesting case of a money printer, host a simple vpn and present it as free, give the users datacenter ips that are easy to detect. meanwhile you get their precious residential ip's and print millions a month
athrowaway3z · 3h ago
On the one hand, the guy makes it sound like it 'spawns cmd prompts' which suggests a Windows machine and a bunch of amateurs selling crap to third parties (and to the state), instead of being a state level actor. (which shouldn't be able to gather that much valuable metadata by spying on the network anyways)
On the other hand, 250$ is a suspiciously high number when you can get a dozen people to do it for 50$ in an afternoon.
ps. "top secret" clearing is a not secret club - it's a very big club and its practical purpose is you agreeing to increase legal liability by getting thrown into a different judicial tract if you screw up - eg by installing Russian hardware on your home.
barbazoo · 1h ago
> “When I open the computer, it looks like [they] have some sort of custom application that runs and spawns several cmd prompts,” the Redditor explained. “All I can infer from what I see in them is they are making connections.”
Surprised me that the laptop seemingly wasn't even password protected.
progbits · 1h ago
Probably makes it easier if they brick it and lose remote access and have to ask the person running it to enter some commands to fix it.
It's not like a proxy server is anything secret worth protecting.
barbazoo · 29m ago
Maybe. Or the whole story is fake, could also be since it's reddit after all.
r1ch · 2h ago
Residential proxy botnets have exploded since LLMs became a thing. The amount of DDoS-level scraping we receive from residential IPs has exploded over the last year, one of our sites that typically sees around 10k unique IPs per day jumped to over 2M before we were able to deploy appropriate mitigations. We originally started blocking the IPs, but then we ended up blocking legitimate users as they seem to specifically use ISPs that have very dynamic IPs (i.e. the customer's IP will change even if their router stays on 24/7).
Citizen8396 · 1h ago
Can you give some examples of these ISPs?
bobbiechen · 2h ago
If you have a product worth buying, it's also worth stealing.
The existence of residential proxies like these is a massive pain if you run free trials or giveaways or host user-generated content (aka a spam/scam opportunity). DSLRoot is only one service of many (see last year's takedown of 911 S5 https://www.scworld.com/news/fbi-takes-down-911-s5-botnet-li... ) and there's plenty of demand for it.
Imagine getting hit by thousands+ of different IP addresses with different user agents, etc. Banning these IPs is not a great option - lots of collateral damage because many real people share IPs, depending on ISP setup.
I work on bot detection involving device fingerprinting - imo this is one of the only ways to defend against residential proxy activity, since you can sniff out the warning flags of automation software and other shared indicators regardless of IP.
zenmac · 2h ago
>I work on bot detection involving device fingerprinting
Yikes, this can become a slippery slop towards surveillance state very quickly with these type of authentication or human verification. Kinda like what the invisible pixel thing on steroid, but event more intrusive and harder to evade.
bobbiechen · 2h ago
"Please drink verification can."
Yes, thanks for bringing this up. We've made product decisions to improve bot detection that also move away from adtech-style tracking - happy to chat about the specifics privately, bchen at stytch dot com.
Related, I have a fairly unusual setup for my personal laptop and that makes many anti-bot products Very Unhappy (same for many of my teammates). It's easy to detect users who dare to run something other than stock Chrome/Safari, but it's disappointing that many services penalize you for it. We designed Intelligent Rate Limiting so that real users on unusual setups aren't blocked: https://stytch.com/docs/fraud/guides/device-fingerprinting/d...
potato3732842 · 1h ago
Seems like easy money for slumlords that don't live on site or young people who have roomates the internet is under. Throw a laptop in the attic/basement. Buy it it's own dedicated line from Comcast or whatever. From there you're basically being paid $250/mo to be willing to say "I have no idea, I set it up and forgot about it, I assume it's so Europoors can watch the NFL without paying out the nose or russians can buy american goods or whatever" to the cops at some undetermined point in the future.
deadbabe · 2h ago
It is so easy to pay a college student to get them to whitelist a MAC address for a GLiNet router you install somewhere in a university.
Some time ago I started to track this as a side project (I work in bot detection and was always surprised by how many residential proxies show up in attacks). It started just out of curiosity. Now I collect proxy IPs, which provider they belong to, and how often they are seen. I also publish stats here: https://deviceandbrowserinfo.com/proxy-api/stats/proxy-db-30...
For example, in the last 30 days I saw more than 120K IPs from Comcast and nearly 100K from AT&T.
I also maintain an open IP (ranges) blocklist, mostly effective against data center and ISP proxies. Residential IPs are harder since they are often shared with legit users: https://github.com/antoinevastel/avastel-bot-ips-lists
Even if you can’t block all of them, tracking volume and reuse gives useful signal.
On the other hand, 250$ is a suspiciously high number when you can get a dozen people to do it for 50$ in an afternoon.
ps. "top secret" clearing is a not secret club - it's a very big club and its practical purpose is you agreeing to increase legal liability by getting thrown into a different judicial tract if you screw up - eg by installing Russian hardware on your home.
Surprised me that the laptop seemingly wasn't even password protected.
It's not like a proxy server is anything secret worth protecting.
The existence of residential proxies like these is a massive pain if you run free trials or giveaways or host user-generated content (aka a spam/scam opportunity). DSLRoot is only one service of many (see last year's takedown of 911 S5 https://www.scworld.com/news/fbi-takes-down-911-s5-botnet-li... ) and there's plenty of demand for it.
Imagine getting hit by thousands+ of different IP addresses with different user agents, etc. Banning these IPs is not a great option - lots of collateral damage because many real people share IPs, depending on ISP setup.
I work on bot detection involving device fingerprinting - imo this is one of the only ways to defend against residential proxy activity, since you can sniff out the warning flags of automation software and other shared indicators regardless of IP.
Yikes, this can become a slippery slop towards surveillance state very quickly with these type of authentication or human verification. Kinda like what the invisible pixel thing on steroid, but event more intrusive and harder to evade.
Yes, thanks for bringing this up. We've made product decisions to improve bot detection that also move away from adtech-style tracking - happy to chat about the specifics privately, bchen at stytch dot com.
Related, I have a fairly unusual setup for my personal laptop and that makes many anti-bot products Very Unhappy (same for many of my teammates). It's easy to detect users who dare to run something other than stock Chrome/Safari, but it's disappointing that many services penalize you for it. We designed Intelligent Rate Limiting so that real users on unusual setups aren't blocked: https://stytch.com/docs/fraud/guides/device-fingerprinting/d...