A (small) gift to Linux on the desktop. MS’ own goal of strong-arming people on to Win11 continues unabated.
Everyone gets sick of it at their own point. Each thing sends more people to alternatives!
Windows team: whoever’s making your decisions is doing great!
7speter · 36m ago
The funniest part is if you search for Linux on tiktok you get inundated with Microsoft ads
pacifika · 3h ago
I’m pretty sure even on Vista maybe XP system restore points were created every time a supported installer ran or before updates were installed.
So the advice to create restore points every two weeks isn’t needed, is my assumption.
But I’m just a ex-user.
BrianHenryIE · 3h ago
They should have preserved existing behaviour for existing users and implemented this as a default only for new installs.
jeroenhd · 3h ago
You mean leave them off by default? Because that was what Windows did back in the day when the feature was introduced.
I don't know why they lowered the retention limit from 90 days to 60 days but I'm guessing it has to do with reusing old windows bootloaders to bypass things like secure boot (again). Could also be to prevent issues where you install a new vulnerable bootloader blacklist into your motherboard and do a system restore which tries to load a vulnerable bootloader and leaves your system unbootable.
Either way, in my experience Windows rarely kept over a month of system restore point anyway, as it keeps making new ones every time you install software (updates) or update your system. The default space assigned to the system drive has rarely been big enough to keep more than a week or so of system restore points for me.
close04 · 3h ago
> Because that was what Windows did
Windows Me. Why bring up an operating model from 24 years ago if people got used to a different one now, with SR on by default?
60 days compared to the old 10-90 days doesn't sound too bad for most users, especially if it used to be "mostly 10 days". Probably every installer now creates a restore point quickly reaching the disk quota (used to be 10%).
Not sure why it's not configurable though. After all, it's local storage on my machine and my OS. So based on this alone a decision to enforce any deletion policy that the user can't control is MS being MS again.
charcircuit · 3h ago
Why? Increasing retention from 10 days to 60 days should be fine unless you are worried about the disk space it takes.
jeroenhd · 3h ago
Windows used to allow way more than 10 days of restore points. When enabled, it'll fill up the storage quota assigned to restore points and delete the oldest one(s) when making a new one in low space scenarios. It has done that for ages now. I believe Windows will use 10% of the drive (max) for system restore points, though often I've seen that number lower by itself (I think when the disk is running out of free space? I don't know the mechanism that reduces the percentage).
Windows now doesn't let you restore restore points from over two months ago. That used to be longer, but they seem to have restricted the maximum retention time for some reason. I'm curious why, but I doubt they just arbitrarily decided to lower the retention time for shits and giggles.
timewizard · 3h ago
> Related to System Restore points is the Recall feature which uses AI in its functions. “It captures your screen every few seconds and knows what you are doing. Recall understands everything, including people you talk to, files you share, and more.
Corporate America has become a relentless cretinous stalker.
> It's a feature that’s not present in Windows 10, so is a key way to encourage users to move to the latest OS.
Worse still they think their victims enjoy the harassment they receive.
labster · 2h ago
[Yes, turn on stalking!] [I’ll do it later]
bbkane · 2h ago
Not including a [Keep off and don't ask again] option is one of the more infuriating things about modern software Android does this too)
netsharc · 54m ago
Teachers for healthy human relationships: "No means no."
Tech companies: "What if we just removed the 'No' button..?".
What I learned about consent I learned from my OS?
NBJack · 2h ago
C'mon, SteamOS. You're so close to giving gamers and Windows-only application users a seamless experience on virtually any PC.
Everyone gets sick of it at their own point. Each thing sends more people to alternatives!
Windows team: whoever’s making your decisions is doing great!
So the advice to create restore points every two weeks isn’t needed, is my assumption.
But I’m just a ex-user.
I don't know why they lowered the retention limit from 90 days to 60 days but I'm guessing it has to do with reusing old windows bootloaders to bypass things like secure boot (again). Could also be to prevent issues where you install a new vulnerable bootloader blacklist into your motherboard and do a system restore which tries to load a vulnerable bootloader and leaves your system unbootable.
Either way, in my experience Windows rarely kept over a month of system restore point anyway, as it keeps making new ones every time you install software (updates) or update your system. The default space assigned to the system drive has rarely been big enough to keep more than a week or so of system restore points for me.
Windows Me. Why bring up an operating model from 24 years ago if people got used to a different one now, with SR on by default?
60 days compared to the old 10-90 days doesn't sound too bad for most users, especially if it used to be "mostly 10 days". Probably every installer now creates a restore point quickly reaching the disk quota (used to be 10%).
Not sure why it's not configurable though. After all, it's local storage on my machine and my OS. So based on this alone a decision to enforce any deletion policy that the user can't control is MS being MS again.
Windows now doesn't let you restore restore points from over two months ago. That used to be longer, but they seem to have restricted the maximum retention time for some reason. I'm curious why, but I doubt they just arbitrarily decided to lower the retention time for shits and giggles.
Corporate America has become a relentless cretinous stalker.
> It's a feature that’s not present in Windows 10, so is a key way to encourage users to move to the latest OS.
Worse still they think their victims enjoy the harassment they receive.
Tech companies: "What if we just removed the 'No' button..?".
What I learned about consent I learned from my OS?