Very long essay. I am not sure I agree with everything.
From the outside looking in, I see a new twisted form of “Prosperity Gospel”. Where they believe not only God wants the believers to be wealthy. But also they must “purify” their city on a hill. Of course they will determine who is pure or impure.
meesles · 23h ago
One of the core problems I think America refuses to acknowledge is the pervasive culture of idolatry and putting the rich on pedestals. It seems inevitable that if the "American Dream" is basically just becoming rich enough, that you get lots of people that value money over everything else. Power and wealth usually seek more power and wealth, and here we are. Capitalism is a cancer.
vacuity · 20h ago
America is perhaps the pinnacle of "got successful mostly by luck but believes it was all hard work". The pinnacle of successful self-delusional narratives. We like stories, but this is taking it too far.
Neonlicht · 15h ago
Its a lot easier to "bootstrap" yourself in a country with a functional government.
The ultra rich don't want to pay the taxes that keeps civilization running.
People like Elon Musk would not be on top in a Mad Max world.
jrflowers · 13h ago
It will never stop being funny how adamant Americans are that lottery winners win the lottery because they deserve to win the lottery. Like people will point to Peter Thiel investing early in Facebook as proof of some sort of genius or prescience. That’s not true! That’s not how investing works! That’s not how anything works!
buggerme · 20h ago
It’s not unique to America as that’s the pattern of religion, history.
The American Dream for me was always freedom from others bullshit in a “ok I have no obligation to your social gossip, religious or otherwise.”
Language is cancer as that is the source of all these mind viruses about economics when economics is just physical statistics. Language is used to obfuscate our only imperative is biological survival.
We’re still running on the fumes of the consciousness of the last century. We had the automation in the 50s to provide the basics for everyone in the US and religious nutters full of honorific ideas to history decide we had to make orthogonal jobs, modern piousness point achievements, a virtual scoreboard, to serve physical reality still.
Americans are pathetic. I’m glad I’m off the hook for their healthcare. This is an utterly insane culture reliant on 1984 Newspeak to align itself with the world not its own experience. Refuses to admit it may be the bad guy. Glad the other 8 billion are end running around 300 million idiots
graemep · 18h ago
> It’s not unique to America as that’s the pattern of religion, history.
What is interesting is that America has done it (and the rest of the west is following) despite its historical religion being very hostile to the accumulation of wealth (all the "eye of the needle", "root of all evil" etc.).
bigbadfeline · 12h ago
I say this often, but it's worth repeating - culture is easy to change given money and what it can buy: media, bot farms, GPU farms, LLMs, politicians, etc. Naturally, in every single one of these cases the US has got the best models money can buy...
pllbnk · 16h ago
I don't see any relationship between idolizing rich people as a culture and capitalism. There's also nothing wrong with capitalism when it's constrained by the rules and the rules are enforced.
Eddy_Viscosity2 · 5m ago
> There's also nothing wrong with capitalism when it's constrained by the rules and the rules are enforced.
But that isn't how it works. Those 'winning' at capitalism can use their wealth to change the rules and/or avoid their enforcement. The wealthy cannot be constrained by the system that they themselves control.
meesles · 9h ago
> I don't see any relationship between idolizing rich people as a culture and capitalism
The primary goal of capitalism is profit. Therefore successful people in capitalism are rich. People look up to and idolize the most successful people within their cultures.
The connection is crystal clear to me.
> There's also nothing wrong with capitalism ...
I think if you put yourself in my shoes, you could come up with your own counter examples. There's plenty of things wrong with the pursuit of profit when many people suffer needlessly. It breeds callousness, greed, selfishness, and other personality traits that aren't great for society.
Mr_Eri_Atlov · 16h ago
Circles in circles, the patterns of history repeat again and again.
Vile to see religion wielded for oppression so blindly in the pursuit of riches.
paulryanrogers · 11h ago
Considering how many religions are started by grifters, I'd say it tracks
PicassoCTs · 23h ago
They can not imagine that the dysfunction of the world is part of them. Its always the external thing, the state, the people who don't share the vision, counter-movementarians. Once they control everything- the excuse machine runs dry of the oil- and turns towards conspiracy. There are traitors everywhere, which prevent ideological perfection and heaven on earth. And against such pure evil, such single-minded cancer, there can only be one resolution. Welcome to StallInc. You have gone all the way around, to reach the same outcome.
> participates in world politics that seek to entrench and unify conservative elites
Is Thiel’s corpus callosum severed or something? I have a hunch he genuinely does not see a contradiction here.
These “leaders” need to be institutionalized before they literally cataclyze the end times.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2025/apr/...
From the outside looking in, I see a new twisted form of “Prosperity Gospel”. Where they believe not only God wants the believers to be wealthy. But also they must “purify” their city on a hill. Of course they will determine who is pure or impure.
The ultra rich don't want to pay the taxes that keeps civilization running. People like Elon Musk would not be on top in a Mad Max world.
The American Dream for me was always freedom from others bullshit in a “ok I have no obligation to your social gossip, religious or otherwise.”
Language is cancer as that is the source of all these mind viruses about economics when economics is just physical statistics. Language is used to obfuscate our only imperative is biological survival.
We’re still running on the fumes of the consciousness of the last century. We had the automation in the 50s to provide the basics for everyone in the US and religious nutters full of honorific ideas to history decide we had to make orthogonal jobs, modern piousness point achievements, a virtual scoreboard, to serve physical reality still.
Americans are pathetic. I’m glad I’m off the hook for their healthcare. This is an utterly insane culture reliant on 1984 Newspeak to align itself with the world not its own experience. Refuses to admit it may be the bad guy. Glad the other 8 billion are end running around 300 million idiots
What is interesting is that America has done it (and the rest of the west is following) despite its historical religion being very hostile to the accumulation of wealth (all the "eye of the needle", "root of all evil" etc.).
But that isn't how it works. Those 'winning' at capitalism can use their wealth to change the rules and/or avoid their enforcement. The wealthy cannot be constrained by the system that they themselves control.
The primary goal of capitalism is profit. Therefore successful people in capitalism are rich. People look up to and idolize the most successful people within their cultures.
The connection is crystal clear to me.
> There's also nothing wrong with capitalism ...
I think if you put yourself in my shoes, you could come up with your own counter examples. There's plenty of things wrong with the pursuit of profit when many people suffer needlessly. It breeds callousness, greed, selfishness, and other personality traits that aren't great for society.
Vile to see religion wielded for oppression so blindly in the pursuit of riches.